Trolling and the morality of bullying on the internet.

[WanderingLands]

I made a thread on another forum where I asked the question were the CIA and China's intelligence agencies the biggest trolls on the internet, I think they could only be responsible for some of it. The vast majority I think is actually bored children of whatever age with some sort of mental disorder that needs constant attention and validation.

Highly doubt it if you were to look at the comments on many videos. For example, most of the YT accounts commenting on videos that are popular don't even have videos, subscribers, or even a feed. There may be channels that do have a feed, yet they have no videos, and their feed records them subscribing and liking popular videos. I've even looked at YT channels that have none of those things, saying "No recent activity", "This channel has no videos", no info about them, and no comments on their channels. For me, there is connection between that, the artificial intelligence program, and the YT partnership.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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So...you mean I have to jump inside your head and interpret your reality for you?


...not sure I want to go in there...


Or do you mean you need someone to explain to you why images with text are able to convey more than text alone?





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[Ginkgo]

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So...you mean I have to jump inside your head and interpret your reality for you?


...not sure I want to go in there...

You could if you like, but I' would prefer you were a clinical psychologist.

Or do you mean you need someone to explain to you why images with text are able to convey more than text alone?

Yes, I think that some words with images is a good idea. This way the reader gets some insight into your thinking'







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[Bill Wiltrack]

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"Some words with images is a good idea."


Thanks.



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[tbieter]

I just ignore trolls and trolling and trivia.

[duszek]

What´s the "meaning" of a troll ?

A demonstration of wasted energy ?

But energy never disappears, it passes on to something else. (law of conservation or preservation of energy)

We could translate "trolling" by "getting on people´s nerves".

Where does the energy pass ?

I someone gets intentionally on my nerves ... I develope resilience by trying to keep my temper and my composure, perhaps.

Bus drivers need the skill of not reacting to provokations from difficult customers, I suppose.

[Blaggard]

What´s the "meaning" of a troll ?

A demonstration of wasted energy ?

But energy never disappears, it passes on to something else. (law of conservation or preservation of energy)

We could translate "trolling" by "getting on people´s nerves".

Where does the energy pass ?

I someone gets intentionally on my nerves ... I develope resilience by trying to keep my temper and my composure, perhaps.

Bus drivers need the skill of not reacting to provokations from difficult customers, I suppose.

My therapist told me that I had anger issues, well I say therapist, ex therapist is a better term, he's dead now. j/k

[duszek]

You had ?

How did you solve them ?

I liked your reply to "puppy dog" ...

[Blaggard]

You had ?

How did you solve them ?

I liked your reply to "puppy dog" ...

It was a joke, I don't have anger management issues, although if you touch my stuff I will cut you.

Also joking the joke is- I meh if you have to explain it it isn't funny...

[duszek]

I see now, yes, it was a joke. Thank you for giving me a clue.

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Trolls either harm us permanently.

Or they are a personal challenge and an opportunity to train our patience.

Is not each troll a unique personal history of life energy gone wrong ?

It could be (scientifically) interesting to find out what motivates them and if there is an anti-dotum.

Is there any authentic material at the moment here ?

And if not we could take turns and try to be trolls, for experimental reasons.

Would you like to try, Blags ?

[Blaggard]

I see now, yes, it was a joke. Thank you for giving me a clue.

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Trolls either harm us permanently.

Or they are a personal challenge and an opportunity to train our patience.

Is not each troll a unique personal history of life energy gone wrong ?

It could be (scientifically) interesting to find out what motivates them and if there is an anti-dotum.

Is there any authentic material at the moment here ?

And if not we could take turns and try to be trolls, for experimental reasons.

Would you like to try, Blags ?

Do a PhD in human psychology, I have enough to do trying to get a degree in physics, I would therefore suggest you take up that challenge.

I would imagine there's plenty of material on bullying, but very little on trolling, it's a modern thing, so I doubt anyone has ever published any papers on it...

I might be wrong though, it's a murky business trolls and trolling, I personally would not like to go to deep into the mentality of the troll, any more than I would the mentality of Hannibal Lector, but I am sure some people are working on it, seems inevitable. I think essentially most trolls have mental disorders, what they are though is probably a matter of academics, I wouldn't hazard a guess although narcissistic personality disorder and Psychopathy would probably feature quite prominently as would the autism spectrum disorders I suspect.

[duszek]

They seem to yearn attention.

Would it be a better strategy to withhold attention from them or to stuff them with it ?

Would fake attention work ? Is it possible to fake attention ?

[Blaggard]

They seem to yearn attention.

Would it be a better strategy to withhold attention from them or to stuff them with it ?

Would fake attention work ? Is it possible to fake attention ?

Yeah you'd think just not giving them attention would work, but the trolls then created a game called troll wars where they score more if people ignore them, the score being based on how little damage they take from their trolling. Sadly it's not so easy to ignore idiots who have some misplaced entitlement. Look at the number of websites that cater exclusively to trolls and you will see what I mean 4-chan etc.

Not only that but trolls are generally tech savvy and frankly the sort of security most forums have is at least a decade out of date. I mean IP snooping pffft most trolls can bypass that in moments. I mean I am not even a troll and I know how to avoid pretty much every forums security on the internet, it's hardly esoteric wisdom.

Not that I do I hasten to add, I respect the rules and so on, but some people are not as moral as I am...

I don't see the point of rejoining as a sock account just to childishly do what I was doing before, but clearly some people do. I've seen people with dozens of sock accounts just repeatedly returning at certain moments to harrass either their imagined enemies or the Moderators/Admins. :S

[duszek]

But I don´t see any trolls here, do you ?

Does Rick throw them out all the time ?

Perhaps trolls lack something important in their lives and should create their own support groups.
At least they would get some real human attention and like it.

[Blaggard]

But I don´t see any trolls here, do you ?

Does Rick throw them out all the time ?

Perhaps trolls lack something important in their lives and should create their own support groups.
At least they would get some real human attention and like it.

No I don't think there are any here, which means we should probably give respect to the moderators, but on some of the really large sites, they are endemic and widespread. That said those large sites have much bigger problems than trolling.

They do have their own support groups already I can give you the names of several forums which basically support trolls, by which they go around the web trolling and trying to destroy particular sites. I know this might come as a shock to most forum goers, but there really are people who have nothing better to do than destroy forums rather than support them. It does really happen, it's not fortunately all that common but I have seen it, The sort of jubilation and party making amongst trolls when the Richard Dawkins forum went down, is the stuff of legends amongst trolls, most of the people who brought it down, were not even Creationists for example. They just did it for shits and giggles. :S

Luckily that forum eventually resolved it's political issues and was hence back up or at least back up as forums not called RD.net but it would be naive to assume the trolls did not play a part in its demise.

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/

RIP 2010 due mainly to trolling I think.