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SpheresOfBalance wrote:Gawd you're stupid, KILLING RHINOS FOR MY ME FUND INC. for all I know, moron. That's his 'business' you freak, of nature!

You're a fucking idiot, you continually said I did nothing to help, WRONG!! That was the only point, PIN HEAD! Nice has nothing to do with it freak.

Arising_uk wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Gawd you're stupid, KILLING RHINOS FOR MY ME FUND INC. for all I know, moron. That's his 'business' you freak, of nature!

You have a vivid imagination. Me, I just think the image was a result of poachers seeking rhino horns.
IT WAS A DOCUMENTARY ON PBS, the "Public Broadcasting System," What did you say, let me hear it again, oh Miss presumption! Unlike you, as to this subject, I've been informed! Your assumptions continue to make an ASS out of U not ME!

You're a fucking idiot, you continually said I did nothing to help, WRONG!! That was the only point, PIN HEAD! Nice has nothing to do with it freak.

Nope, I just asked you what you were actually doing, once you told me I said thats good and if we do it my way you'll be able to add an 'ivory' tie-pin to your tie. Your way, I think, will mean the only rhinos around will be on silk ties.
What the hell are you talking about, are you seriously mental or what? I've never stated "my way." I've just told you of one of the things I've done, i.e., donations to fund those on site in AFRICA, you know, where the actual problem exists, remember you raciest, I'm a YANK, no Rhinos in my back yard, just raccoons, deer, coyotes, foxes, rabbits, turtles, ground hogs, mice, rats, moles, wood peckers, hummingbirds, golden finch's, cardinals, coopers hawks, to name some!!!

In talking to you, it would seem that, flounder can actually live out of the sea, in the UK, and type on a keyboard, to post empty headed bull shit, in a philosophy forum. I'm getting the distinct impression that you just post anything, even if half baked, for some agenda, that probably not even you, actually fully understand.

Arising_uk wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Again you make an ASS out of U, not ME.

Deeeep....
No just the truth, Moron!

In one case, she that was injured, and the others that were killed, were owned by an Englishman, no less. ALL the others are located on RESERVES. You do know what a reserve is don't you?
"A nature reserve (natural reserve, nature preserve, natural preserve, bioreserve, or just preserve) is a protected area of importance for wildlife, flora, fauna or features of geological or other special interest, which is reserved and managed for conservation and to provide special opportunities for study or research. Nature reserves may be designated by government institutions in some countries, or by private landowners, such as charities and research institutions, regardless of nationality." --Wikipedia--

Sure, I know what game and nature preserves are, they're where the local indigenous people had their practices revoked. Luckily its now been realized that its best to include them if we want them to work.
They're stealing you idiot! The home in which you live, also used to belong to the indigenous, before someone bought and sold it, fool, the number of years it's been misappropriated, makes no difference. It would seem you have brown matter oozing from your ears.

A characterization of how you were acting.

You'd be a psychologist would you?
Regardless of how you label it, matters not, to the truth.

No, I think the point is on top of your head. Someone that kills an endangered herbivore, senselessly, is certainly not one of my fellow men, and deserves what they get.

Again, exactly my point and also what I was asking Bill. So you can find no sense in why a poacher risks life and limb this way as you've already decided the morality that their actions should be judged by.
Nothing's as simple as a simpleton sees it, you're not thinking, not living in the day, not understanding the implications of these actions, seemingly incapable of seeing the big picture. It's called 7 Billion as an imbalance, selfish desires run-a-muck, and the obliviousness of a species, as they kill themselves, in the later, for an over indulgence, in the now. It's not just a Rhino being slaughtered for no real good reason. Only a fool thinks that.

What? Are you daft? Since they are endangered, it wouldn't matter if they used the meat or not. It's amazing how one has to spell it out for you. You that tout the grandeur of multiple diplomas. Amazing!!!!

You're the one who mentioned them as food? I did it in order to ask if the image would have been less lurid is the beast had been skinned and flensed.
Not at all, look back to see your implication, you were the first to mention their use of the meat. But I guess I can't expect you to remember 20 messages back when you can't keep track of a few.

You're a fool like no other, as you fight the swirling windmills of assumption, only in your mind. Does your brain feel a little tender? Well then, stop picking at it.

Are the rhinos still endangered and is it becoming more likely they'll be poached out of existence? If the answer is yes and since we've been trying to protect them this way for decades it appears the solution is not working. Still, you pat yourself on your back that you did what you could and its all the other evil humans who are at fault. Me, I think we should try something different.
I have yet to mention my resolve. But if you must know, as my wife and I, watched the documentary, probably around the same time Bill did, as it was prior to his original post on this topic, anyway, I mentioned to her, how they should just cut off the horns and sell them, like the Englishman did in order to save his last Rhino from being killed! But you, oh unwise one, of engaging mouth before brain, does indeed presume far to much, before making comment on another's mindset, as if you could possibly know of it, without query.

This is the first time you mentioned that your farming, was in opposition to the topic, the fault's all yours, contextually speaking. Do I REALLY have to remind you of the OP's first pic? And you, the wise one that eliminates previous quotes, can't remember the topic, again, sheesh!!!

Do I have to remind you that my question to the picture was "What would you accept as sense?" as it was obvious that the intent and meaning of the post was the answer, no, and I think there is sense in the picture its just not what some would like. My suggestion of farming, breeding and harvesting the rhino's horns was for the aim of retaining the existence of rhinos. What are your solutions? As so far it appears that the ones we've got, according to many like you, are not working.
To be honest with you, I don't think you actually give a shit about anyone/anything but yourself. I think you're a selfish clot. I also see that you're oblivious to many things as they pertain to a much larger picture. I'm talking logic here, as it applies to the status quo of human activity, that seems much like a canoe on a river, ignorantly/unignorably heading for angel falls. If you truly can't see, that our current course, surely can't be maintained, for very much longer, relatively speaking, then you need to enroll in the course of life, that takes into account, all the facts that surround human impact, multiplied by an ever increasing number of impact-ees.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:IT WAS A DOCUMENTARY ON PBS, the "Public Broadcasting System," What did you say, let me hear it again, oh Miss presumption! Unlike you, as to this subject, I've been informed! Your assumptions continue to make an ASS out of U not ME!

What the hell are you talking about, are you seriously mental or what? I've never stated "my way." I've just told you of one of the things I've done, i.e., donations to fund those on site in AFRICA, you know, where the actual problem exists, remember you raciest, I'm a YANK, no Rhinos in my back yard, just raccoons, deer, coyotes, foxes, rabbits, turtles, ground hogs, mice, rats, moles, wood peckers, hummingbirds, golden finch's, cardinals, coopers hawks, to name some!!!

talking to you, it would seem that, flounder can actually live out of the sea, in the UK, and type on a keyboard, to post empty headed bull shit, in a philosophy forum. I'm getting the distinct impression that you just post anything, even if half baked, for some agenda, that probably not even you, actually fully understand.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:No just the truth, Moron!

They're stealing you idiot! The home in which you live, also used to belong to the indigenous, before someone bought and sold it, fool, the number of years it's been misappropriated, makes no difference. It would seem you have brown matter oozing from your ears.

Regardless of how you label it, matters not, to the truth.

Nothing's as simple as a simpleton sees it, you're not thinking, not living in the day, not understanding the implications of these actions, seemingly incapable of seeing the big picture. It's called 7 Billion as an imbalance, selfish desires run-a-muck, and the obliviousness of a species, as they kill themselves, in the later, for an over indulgence, in the now. It's not just a Rhino being slaughtered for no real good reason. Only a fool thinks that.

Not at all, look back to see your implication, you were the first to mention their use of the meat. But I guess I can't expect you to remember 20 messages back when you can't keep track of a few.

I have yet to mention my resolve. But if you must know, as my wife and I, watched the documentary, probably around the same time Bill did, as it was prior to his original post on this topic, anyway, I mentioned to her, how they should just cut off the horns and sell them, like the Englishman did in order to save his last Rhino from being killed! But you, oh unwise one, of engaging mouth before brain, does indeed presume far to much, before making comment on another's mindset, as if you could possibly know of it, without query.

To be honest with you, I don't think you actually give a shit about anyone/anything but yourself. I think you're a selfish clot. I also see that you're oblivious to many things as they pertain to a much larger picture. I'm talking logic here, as it applies to the status quo of human activity, that seems much like a canoe on a river, ignorantly/unignorably heading for angel falls. If you truly can't see, that our current course, surely can't be maintained, for very much longer, relatively speaking, then you need to enroll in the course of life, that takes into account, all the facts that surround human impact, multiplied by an ever increasing number of impact-ees.

Bill Wiltrack wrote:...

If I could FTFY it would read:

We are Cassandras who moralize from a position of relative wealth and security and have little feeling for our fellow anything.

Arising_uk wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:No just the truth, Moron!

I can't even be bothered to point out how many assumptions you make about others and the irony this engenders.
Bull shit, my responses are far more reasonable than yours are, when you fail. Sometimes you do quite well, which is why I say nothing. I usually only engage one when they presume to know, as if it's possible that they could, usually only addressing ones wording so as to make them more correct. It's common for your type, to think that their 'book' learning, somehow makes them a flawless authority, on everything there is to life. Not true at all. As a matter of fact, focused learning often causes tunnel vision, with no vision of the periphery, the big picture, and that is what you suffer from most often. I believe your study of AI has caused your intelligence to be artificial.

They're stealing you idiot! The home in which you live, also used to belong to the indigenous, before someone bought and sold it, fool, the number of years it's been misappropriated, makes no difference. It would seem you have brown matter oozing from your ears.

Not my point, which was that excluding people from their former lands without planning for their futures doesn't bode well for them nor lend them altruistic feelings towards the source of a possible large income.
Glad you finally spit it out.

Regardless of how you label it, matters not, to the truth.

That'll be a no then.
It seems that with you it really doesn't matter.

Nothing's as simple as a simpleton sees it, you're not thinking, not living in the day, not understanding the implications of these actions, seemingly incapable of seeing the big picture. It's called 7 Billion as an imbalance, selfish desires run-a-muck, and the obliviousness of a species, as they kill themselves, in the later, for an over indulgence, in the now. It's not just a Rhino being slaughtered for no real good reason. Only a fool thinks that.

You're a moron, its that I understand the big picture that I think the armchair moralist lives in cloud-cuckoo land and ignores solutions that may actually achieve the results they claim they wish.
Non sequitur, as relative perspective does not necessarily have bearing on the quality of the rationale. It could also be said that your 'armchair moralist' applies to you as well. And I can't see that you do understand the big picture. You obviously try and use a band-aid on a wound of the carotid. Easter island has obviously wasted a lesson on you.

Not at all, look back to see your implication, you were the first to mention their use of the meat. But I guess I can't expect you to remember 20 messages back when you can't keep track of a few.

Unlike you I have a memory of what I say and why I say it, my point was about the emotive image and whether if it was different the response would be altered.
Obviously not! It was not an emotive image, it was an image of fact, not doctored, but rather the truth of the matter. You spoke of meat usage, which is food, you brought up food, not I. My point was simple to understand, and is that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, other than the Rhino not being endangered, would it be acceptable. As a matter of fact, the current state of this problem, is another example of how the WHITE/foreign man, has corrupted the indigenous peoples, with his "better way, " NOT!

I have yet to mention my resolve. But if you must know, as my wife and I, watched the documentary, probably around the same time Bill did, as it was prior to his original post on this topic, anyway, I mentioned to her, how they should just cut off the horns and sell them, like the Englishman did in order to save his last Rhino from being killed! But you, oh unwise one, of engaging mouth before brain, does indeed presume far to much, before making comment on another's mindset, as if you could possibly know of it, without query.

So you agree. Then what point all your vitriol?
What a fool to think that, two on an escalator ride, of contention, while finally seeing eye to eye on one particular point, somehow negates the contention already experienced. There is no such thing as time travel. And it's you that agrees with me, as you presumed to know of my resolve, as you attacked me for it. You often accuse, long before having the right to. You seemingly battle with evil windmills that you project upon others.

To be honest with you, I don't think you actually give a shit about anyone/anything but yourself. I think you're a selfish clot. I also see that you're oblivious to many things as they pertain to a much larger picture. I'm talking logic here, as it applies to the status quo of human activity, that seems much like a canoe on a river, ignorantly/unignorably heading for angel falls. If you truly can't see, that our current course, surely can't be maintained, for very much longer, relatively speaking, then you need to enroll in the course of life, that takes into account, all the facts that surround human impact, multiplied by an ever increasing number of impact-ees.

To be honest with you I think you just another in a long line of cassandras who moralise from a position of relative wealth and security and have little feeling for your fellow man.
No you don't think. I've already made you aware of my poorness, I know you're far more wealthy than I am. You couldn't live like this, your standards are far too high. You're a classic example of those that can't see life for the self.

Arising_uk wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:IT WAS A DOCUMENTARY ON PBS, the "Public Broadcasting System," What did you say, let me hear it again, oh Miss presumption! Unlike you, as to this subject, I've been informed! Your assumptions continue to make an ASS out of U not ME!

Send the link as I'd be interested what business this was other than poaching? Are you saying this documentary showed rhino farmers killing and de-horning wild rhinos to increase their possible future bottom line?
Television (PBS), no link! No the business was a white man in a chopper killing them from the air with an assault rifle, while his ground crew lopped off the horns.

What the hell are you talking about, are you seriously mental or what? I've never stated "my way." I've just told you of one of the things I've done, i.e., donations to fund those on site in AFRICA, you know, where the actual problem exists, remember you raciest, I'm a YANK, no Rhinos in my back yard, just raccoons, deer, coyotes, foxes, rabbits, turtles, ground hogs, mice, rats, moles, wood peckers, hummingbirds, golden finch's, cardinals, coopers hawks, to name some!!!

And many of those 'on site' in Africa say they wish to farm the rhino and sell the horns as they think this the best way to save them as the game and nature reserves are not working as the economics, i.e. the oriental medicine market and the poverty of africa make it too attractive not to poach the rhino.
I don't really care how they solve the needless killing, they need funding however it's done.

talking to you, it would seem that, flounder can actually live out of the sea, in the UK, and type on a keyboard, to post empty headed bull shit, in a philosophy forum. I'm getting the distinct impression that you just post anything, even if half baked, for some agenda, that probably not even you, actually fully understand.

Nope, I just question what appears to be a failing policy and the authors intent in posting his emotive picture.
It's not an emotive picture!!!! It's a moment of fact captured in time. That some may be emotional about it, is subjective, as clearly the poachers aren't affected.


What solutions do you offer? Other than donations to what appears to be a failing solution or are you saying this policy is working and the rhino is coming out of danger?
How in the hell could you possibly know how my donations were spent? Oh I forgot you're a self proclaimed expert on everything, or at least when you feel like either antagonizing someone for no apparent reason or giving someone the impression that you're an idiot.

Bill Wiltrack wrote:Yes...Yes I do.

Bill Wiltrack wrote:.









................................................................................................JESUS. FUCK.
Yes Bill, an indication of mankind's impending doom. Any animal species that proclaims intelligence, and as being the king of all animal life, through their usage of tools, while clearly incapable of maintaining balance of those Ecosystems, upon which they depend, well, need i really continue?

Obviously mankind is the dumbest species on the planet, as he allows his wants and desires to outweigh his needs. Can you say, "Easter Island, all over again?"





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