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Bernard wrote:Every experience of our life is stored in us.

Once again you offer claims beyond reason and beyond your ability to demonstrate.

Bernard wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Since you have not existed forever, infinity is NOT your experience. Your 'experience' of infinity is your imagination.
There is a disjuncture between your irrationality, and having a conversation with another person. Reason is the ground upon which we can continue. Irrationality puts you in a wilderness of your own creation.

A drop of water doesn't last as a drop of water but it does last as water, and no one can deny it is water whilst it is a drop. That's our trouble; we define ourselves exclusively in terms that only emphasise our separateness. It seems we have to have bricks thrown at us before we can admit that our separateness is only very temporary and that we belong to being as a whole, which is infinite.

If reason were the primary ground upon which we can continue than I just simply wouldn't be here any more because of the intolerableness of such a scenario. Rationality is a filigree only of what really keeps us hanging in there, and which is not rational.

We all shine on... even if not as ourselves.

This does not address the problem in any sense.

I haven't assumed anything man, if you claim it of me... prove it.

What? Was I giving recipe for roast chicken?

chaz wyman wrote:

Bernard wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Since you have not existed forever, infinity is NOT your experience. Your 'experience' of infinity is your imagination.
There is a disjuncture between your irrationality, and having a conversation with another person. Reason is the ground upon which we can continue. Irrationality puts you in a wilderness of your own creation.

A drop of water doesn't last as a drop of water but it does last as water, and no one can deny it is water whilst it is a drop. That's our trouble; we define ourselves exclusively in terms that only emphasise our separateness. It seems we have to have bricks thrown at us before we can admit that our separateness is only very temporary and that we belong to being as a whole, which is infinite.

If reason were the primary ground upon which we can continue than I just simply wouldn't be here any more because of the intolerableness of such a scenario. Rationality is a filigree only of what really keeps us hanging in there, and which is not rational.

We all shine on... even if not as ourselves.

This does not address the problem in any sense.

This isn't a reason forum Chaz, its philosophy and we can push beyond reason .. indeed, philosophy demands it!
Somethings can only be subjectively apprehended. Besides, I don't see why the f its so unreasonable to say that all our experiences are stored within us.

If I were me I'd think I was in need of a holiday or something.

chaz wyman wrote:

Bernard wrote:Every experience of our life is stored in us.

Once again you offer claims beyond reason and beyond your ability to demonstrate.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Of course they're recordings, though not extremely accurate, at least in the retelling.

chaz wyman wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:But the point being that their existence is not the same as the 'past existing'.

I was agreeing with you, just adding that they're not lossless recordings.

Indeed, but review your words. Of course, of course. Is that how you agree?

I was speaking to the OP, not you. Do you really think everything revolves around you? Seriously?

Bernard wrote:I haven't assumed anything man, if you claim it of me... prove it.

You have assumed that your life is infinite.
How can you ask me to 'prove', and yet deny me the tool of reason?
Think about it!

Bernard wrote:This isn't a reason forum Chaz, its philosophy and we can push beyond reason .. indeed, philosophy demands it!
Somethings can only be subjectively apprehended. Besides, I don't see why the f its so unreasonable to say that all our experiences are stored within us.

If I were me I'd think I was in need of a holiday or something.

There is no need to get tetchy.
There is no way that we can 'store' everything. The human memory is not a lossless machine.

SpheresOfBalance wrote: I was speaking to the OP, not you. Do you really think everything revolves around you? Seriously?

No, I thought the world revolves around you.?!?!?

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There is no need to get tetchy.
There is no way that we can 'store' everything. The human memory is not a lossless machine.[/quote]

Why not? Prove it!

chaz wyman wrote:

Bernard wrote:I haven't assumed anything man, if you claim it of me... prove it.

You have assumed that your life is infinite.
How can you ask me to 'prove', and yet deny me the tool of reason?
Think about it!

You can use reason, no on has denied you that. Prove that I assume that life is infinite, back it up!

I think perhaps Bernard your thoughts are along these lines, I may be wrong. Wulff (1997) summarizes Jung’s attitude toward life "as one of openness, especially to the non rational and the mysterious, to what lies beyond the logic of the philosopher and the instruments of the scientist. It is a recognition of the infinity that stretches far beyond our understanding, of the powers that lie outside our comprehension and control. It is, then, also an attitude of humility and of awe".

I would almost liken it to the vitality of nature, the earth, the sky and beyond.

What say you?

Bernard wrote:
Why not? Prove it!

I can't remember when I had breakfast yesterday, nor what I was thinking at 10 o'clock last night

Bernard wrote:[quote="chaz wyman"

You have assumed that your life is infinite.
How can you ask me to 'prove', and yet deny me the tool of reason?
Think about it!

You can use reason, no on has denied you that. Prove that I assume that life is infinite, back it up![/quote]

Okay - even without reason, but by simply repeating your words back to you.
You said...

1) An argument I would give about the non existence of the past is that what is here right now is infinite and infinity can't be added to by an entityt such as the past.

2) No, infinity is not beyond my experience. It IS my experience. This not a rational statement but who cares about that! In the end rationality is another way of kidding ourselves.

3) Me in the womb, me in the seconds before my death and me typing... these are just varieties of me, any one of which I can access right now!

4) Every experience of our life is stored in us.

5) I don't see why the fuck its so unreasonable to say that all our experiences are stored within us.

Not only is our life infinite, but our experiences can be recalled infinitely.
I think when I said "You have assumed that your life is infinite." is was a pretty fair summation.
I do not think that you have cause to warrant these assertions.

Here's a thought. As humans we tend to quantify, and qualify (give a quality to). So we have this abstract idea about time, which is employed as an abstraction upon which to tag a series of events so as to give them priority and anteriority. This seems to provide a framework for a succession of events so that we can understand cause and effect, the changing of the seasons and the repetition of the day. Thus 'time' is accorded a substance. We talk about using time, using time up, you run out of it, you can even waste it.
But let's start by saying that time does not exist. That it is nothing more than that abstraction; an abstraction of our experience; not having an objective quality, being epiphenomenal to our sensible world. This can explain a lot.
It explains why time seems to speed up as you grow older; and it explains why an indolent life is used up quickly as the years fly by; whilst a life full of new experiences and full of activity years pass more slowly; it also explains why when you return to an old social context that has not been active the passage of the years seems to have gone by in a whisper.
So in a sense it is not that we use our experience to measure time; it is that we plot time against our experience.