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Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:15 pmSo political figures are exempt from legal accountability? That's a banana republic...

Jailing your political opponent, for Trumped up charges, is a banana republic.

I don't know why you, Flash, and the liberals are so giddy for this. You should detest it.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:16 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:15 pmSo political figures are exempt from legal accountability? That's a banana republic...

Jailing your political opponent, for Trumped up charges, is a banana republic.

I don't know why you, Flash, and the liberals are so giddy for this. You should detest it.

I don't understand what a "Trumped up charges" are.

If an actions satisfies the elements of the crime - a crime has been committed.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:16 pmSo you want there to be permanent immunity from prosecution for all politicians? What about all the "lock her up" stuff for Hillary?

What if there turns out to be proof that Bill Clinton and Donal Trump both went to that Epstein sex island and banged underage prostitutes?

Was it good for France and England to decapitate their monarchs too?

Yes, there is a degree of immunity that comes with being the most powerful chief representative of Western Civilization.

Don't pretend like Democrats are purely clean and innocent, that they aren't criminals. So why should one faction of criminals pay for their crimes, while the other are not?


I'll skip ahead, since you're behind in the logic.

It leads to a cycle of violence, civil war, because the incoming political 'outsider' then has no reason to give-up power peacefully, knowing his opposition will imprison him if he loses.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:19 pm Yes, there is a degree of immunity that comes with being the most powerful chief representative of Western Civilization.

You mean like Putin enjoys immunity from prosecution for murdering his political oponents?

That kind of most powerful representative?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:19 pm It leads to a cycle of violence, civil war, because the incoming political 'outsider' then has no reason to give-up power peacefully, knowing his opposition will imprison him if he loses.

You mean losing a democratic election; or exceeding one's term of office is no reason to give up power peacefully?

Has anybody ever informed you that you are a fucking idiot? That's a rhetorical question...

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:19 pmI don't understand what a "Trumped up charges" are.

If an actions satisfies the elements of the crime - a crime has been committed.

Trumped up charges are, trying to impeach Trump for uncovering the Biden corruption scheme in Ukraine, where Trump accidentally discovered Joseph Biden was/is being laundered millions of dollars of US taxpayer money, through his son Hunter Biden, sitting on the board of Burisma.

That's what Trumped up charges mean.

It means legally prosecuting your political enemies, for what you-yourself are guilty of doing.

You and Flash both probably think Kim Jong Un 100% democratic elections are perfect too.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:23 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:19 pmI don't understand what a "Trumped up charges" are.

If an actions satisfies the elements of the crime - a crime has been committed.

Trumped up charges are, trying to impeach Trump for uncovering the Biden corruption scheme in Ukraine, where Trump accidentally discovered Joseph Biden was/is being laundered millions of dollars of US taxpayer money, through his son Hunter Biden, sitting on the board of Burisma.

That's what Trumped up charges mean.

It means legally prosecuting your political enemies, for what you-yourself are guilty of doing.

Are you aware that the law requires no clean hands doctrine?

Nothing prevents the prosecutors from prosecuting both. Nothing other than having the evidence to build the case that is.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:24 pm You and Flash both probably think Kim Jong Un 100% democratic elections are perfect too.

You probably think that those two things are comparable.

mickthinks wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 2:34 pmYour only purpose is to fuck with us.

Mick, didn't we go over this a hundred times already?

You always appeal to some mystical "us", posse, group, audience, or...who knows? Who's this us you keep talking about? You seem to believe you represent a silent majority of people? How is that not a dishonest debate method???

I'm talking to YOU, so speak for yourself.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:25 pm

mickthinks wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 2:34 pmYour only purpose is to fuck with us.

Mick, didn't we go over this a hundred times already?

You always appeal to some mystical "us", posse, group, audience, or...who knows? Who's this us you keep talking about? You seem to believe you represent a silent majority of people? How is that not a dishonest debate method???

I'm talking to YOU, so speak for yourself.

Do you not understand an alternative perspective or something?

Deja vu.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:25 pmAre you aware that the law requires no clean hands doctrine?

Nothing prevents the prosecutors from prosecuting both. Nothing other than having the evidence to build the case that is.

Okay, yep, America is just going to start prosecuting Democrat and Republican candidates equally... 50-50...



How deluded are you being right now? Get real. These prosecutions are a one-sided persecution. It has nothing to do with Justice.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:25 pmYou probably think that those two things are comparable.

You're the one who put forward that rationale, not me...

I believe, and know, Democracies are very fallible. You don't seem to understand this point.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:28 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:25 pmAre you aware that the law requires no clean hands doctrine?

Nothing prevents the prosecutors from prosecuting both. Nothing other than having the evidence to build the case that is.

Okay, yep, America is just going to start prosecuting Democrat and Republican candidates equally... 50-50...



How deluded are you being right now? Get real. These prosecutions are a one-sided persecution. It has nothing to do with Justice.

Where in the law is equality of outcome required? Please show me.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:28 pm You're the one who put forward that rationale, not me...

Are you confused abour your identity, child? You are pretending that I put forward whart you put forward.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:28 pm I believe, and know, Democracies are very fallible. You don't seem to understand this point.

I understand this point just fine.

What you appear to be adovocating for is that because democracies are falible, then we should do our best to exploit this fallibility in order to maximize our own political gain.

Which is what makes you an extremist. Left or right - doesn't matter. An idiot either way.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 1:52 pmBut FOX Entertainment and “News” Network lost a multi-BILLION dollar lawsuit to Dominion about promotion falsehoods that you say were spiked. That’s a fact. That’s evidence.

They didn't "lose" a lawsuit. They settled. It was not taken to court.

Very few or none of the recent political persecutions saw a court room.

They get negotiated out at cost. Trump's election fraud cases, also, did not see courtrooms. Most of them were (unjustly) denied, since there were mountains of evidence of election interference/fraud. On top of the fact that social media and even google, was spiking, purging, and censoring evidence of the cases.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 9:54 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:49 am Now that political opponents are jailed by the reigning political party in the United States, what will come next?

If a former president can be shown beyond reasonable doubt to have committed serious criminal offences, he should not be above the law should he? He gets his day in court and due process just like everybody else.

Deliberately, of course, you choose to pretend respect for the law and the Constitution while not considering that the cases brought are substantially without merit. That is when examined carefully (Jonathan Turley, Alan Dershowitz). Their real function is brazen election interference — as all recognize. (Even you though you support it). The timing of these indictments indicates what their real function is.