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Rules change and the numbing increases, Belinda.

In the Clease analogy, the new rule is, extra points for participation, all for the purpose of boosting the GPA, of course. It's official because it's in the rule book of the future. What was once a gang-bang becomes student/teacher interaction, i.e., empirical application of theory.

Kids learn in all kinds of ways and these days they're bombarded by the kinds of ways. Go anywhere in public and you're apt to hear language spoken freely, and accepted, that would scorch the sensibilities of your granny.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 1:02 pm
Use "Sculptor" as an example. He cannot create a great work of art.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 7:10 pmIt’s an interesting phenomenon that appears to be repeating. A society advances, human knowledge increases by always looking further, by breaking boundaries. The tendency is in humans and not in animals.

Eventually, the broken boundary becomes the status quo. The horizon moves farther away. Folks stagger about benumbed to the status quo until a spark finds something new to surprise, to shock, to penetrate the armour that has built up around folks that enables them to survive civilization.

And the horizon moves farther away as folks become accepting of this, and what was once shocking becomes commonplace. In this way, by increments, titillating French post cards for men from 19th century, transmuted into sexual intercourse instruction manuals for little children, in the 21st century government schools.

Because the interval between cause and effect does seem to be decreasing overall, don’t be surprised if a John Clease-like headmaster will be giving real live sexual instruction live on a desk, aided by his lovely wife who is a woman, to a class of attentive, adolescent boys … and it won’t be a movie.

If you don't accept this as normal, there are herd ways of making you comply. Ways more convincing that mere peer pressure. Political ways. Uh huh.

A human 'Generation' is about 20-25 years. So 4 generations = 80-100 years. A 4-generation cycle exists because the Great-grandparents and grandparents die-off, and then the younger generations lose that source of experience, memory, and history. For example, the WW1 veterans have died-off and humanity cannot go back and ask those who fought what it was like, why they fought, what happened, etc. The point here is that there is a mechanism of forgetfulness within the human specie that repeats across time. Societies rise, experiencing boon & abundance, wealth of resources. And they fall, experiencing starvation & austerity, depletion of resources. These environmental changes correspond with epigenetic qualities of different human groups, ethnicities, races, etc.

The point I'm getting at, is the "hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times" trope. The "Greatest Generation", world war 2 veterans were the strong men who created good times for Western Civilization, the Anglosphere. But those good times don't last forever. Children inherit wealth, grow lazy and apathetic, and then spend all their wealth. These are the "weak men creating hard times". The 'Boomer' generation, their kids, and now their grandkids.

The focus on sexuality and sexual manipulation, seduction, is obviously historical to any who have studied history. Belinda balks at this question, dodging it three times, because she would be forced to admit that these sexual perversions and immorality, is very much a repeated phase with known causes. It shouldn't be surprising to anybody educated, or these so-called "Intellectuals" presumed to know so much.


I want to talk about your point of "making you comply". This is the interesting bit of conversation. These SJWs and "Wokeists" are an inverted form of Catholic heresy, fanatics going around with purity tests, imposing their Communistic-Marxist ideology upon all others. These are political fads; but they are dangerous fads. In the United States, I expect Conservative-Republicans to retake Congressional power. That will signal a shift toward the right, which would be a relief.

Otherwise there is no telling the lengths these lunatic radicals will go in their "social justice" campaigns.

I do not fear them, and have no inclination of "accepting this as normal", because Morality will always trump Immorality. Something is always greater than Nothing. I welcome battles and conflicts with these ideologues. It has become a fun past time exposing them, and then humiliating them, because their "thinking" only goes as far as the popular propaganda and social programming of the day or decade. They cannot see beyond a decade. Anybody that short-sighted, doesn't really pose a threat to those philosophically-inclined.

Getting back to the OP, I will answer my questions on behalf of the majority of our Age and Era.

What is the meaning of life? To most, they have no meaning in life. Their lives are *not* significant. Because they are demoralized. Why are whole generations of humanity made to be demoralized? Why are they made to be purposeless and insignificant? Because of those who control the information, education, and leadership. We have no leadership. We have no Gods. We have nothing to aspire toward. We have no greatness in Western culture and civilization, nothing for the youth to look up to and be inspired by.

What is the nature of reality? Television, movies, smart phones, commercials, Fake News Media. It's all fake. It's all a lie. And those who walk above the masses, the "Elitists", manufacture this lie. It goes hand-in-hand with Demoralization. Keep the slaves "happy" and fed, and they will believe they're free. Teach them they're free, when they're not. The slave's "Reality" is The Matrix. It is a rat in a cage, complacent and spiritually broken.

How does God exist? God does not exist to the Western masses. They have no reverence of Nature. Their connections to Ancestors is severed. Westerners do not have a long or deep history. Values are superficial, as proven politically today. Americans, British, Europeans all chase around money, political influence, fame, but pursue nothing with Enduring consequence. Nobody is looking 500 years ahead, or 500 years ago. Nobody is looking 50,000 years ahead. Why not? Because Westerners spirit is very, very weak. It's pitiful.


The fortunate thing, though, is that when Western people start from such a lowly state, there is no direction to go but 'Up'. That maybe the redeeming factor in all this.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:01 am The focus on sexuality and sexual manipulation, seduction, is obviously historical to any who have studied history. Belinda balks at this question, dodging it three times, because she would be forced to admit that these sexual perversions and immorality, is very much a repeated phase with known causes. It shouldn't be surprising to anybody educated, or these so-called "Intellectuals" presumed to know so much.

As an aside from your point, Belinda is eliciting your points. "Dodging" is a method to do that. There are many methods. Ad hominem is popular and easy since it challenges the ego, but I think it detracts from content (not that you or B have drawn on that method).

I want to talk about your point of "making you comply".

Ok. We'll mosey on down that road for a piece.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:18 am Getting back to the OP, I will answer my questions on behalf of the majority of our Age and Era.

Well, I know I'm not that way. I know there's plenty of others like me, who are not that way.

In fairness to your observations, many folks do climb on the treadmill and don't stop to question what they're doing until mid-life. This is understandable because opportunity doesn't knock often and you have to be ready to ride that horse like the wind when it does, as youngsters who define a situation to advantage, know.

Then, after years of this, there's a change of sorts that is often dismissively called a mid-life crisis, or merely a crisis, and that's when what has been learned in the course of life up until that point, starts to be questioned.

Conditions are ripe for folks to continue awakening and noticing the differences between what they know, and what they're told they should know, which is a crisis for the Left because of the consequences of their policies.

For example, Brandon the Leftist puppet recently declared that if the Right is elected to office, inflation will get worse. What he didn't mention, and it's what everyone knows who is beginning to question every lie popping out of Brandon's mouth, which is virtually everything that he says on camera, is that inflation will get worse no matter who is elected, because inflation is a runaway train.

He's too simple and too compromised to tell convincing lies, and more of the 81 million who voted for him are waking up for real and saying, Oh my God! What have I done?! They're saying that if there's an honest bone still connected to the brain.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:01 amFor example, the WW1 veterans have died-off and humanity cannot go back and ask those who fought what it was like, why they fought, what happened, etc.

They died off a long time ago. Even when the WWII veterans were alive it wouldn't have done much good to nag them about their private memories. They were a notoriously tight-lipped bunch, and not easily intimidated into divulging the contents of their thoughts. I think I know why. Their memories were not the stories for the children and grandchildren. They mostly wanted normal, not abby normal.

Waking up has some interesting effects.
Patton probably would not have approved of this display of waking up, but he had his place too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:26 amHe's too simple and too compromised to tell convincing lies, and more of the 81 million who voted for him are waking up for real and saying, Oh my God! What have I done?! They're saying that if there's an honest bone still connected to the brain.

I have doubts.

Look at the recent dialogue: Belinda quickly accuses me of 'feelings', a projection on her part. And Sculptor quickly resorts to personal insults. These liberal-leftists rely on their own emotional validation and justification for 'why' and 'how' they believe, act, and vote as they do. I'd simplify matters down to the fact that the majority of humanity are mere pawns to "The State", whichever particular state-government matters not. Thus, Philosophically, it's best to identify the truly rebellious types, opinions, perspectives, and thinkers. It's easy to "go along to get along". It's difficult to swim against the stream. I mentioned the point to Belinda, but she was too blunt to understand or accept it. Politics is the matter of time & place it dwells in.

In 2022, rebels will attack the corruption of "Globohomo WEF, Nato, and Biden's 'Liberal-world-order'" bullshit.

In 1022, rebels attacked Roman Catholic, the Pope's political corruption.

The stage changes, but the theatrical play is the same.


So what I was and am getting at, is a rebelliousness that transcends its particular place & time, or political climate, a 'timeless' rebelliousness. Philosophy very much began as an antagonism between the politically Just versus the Unjust. It was a debate about Justice.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:49 am

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:26 amHe's too simple and too compromised to tell convincing lies, and more of the 81 million who voted for him are waking up for real and saying, Oh my God! What have I done?! They're saying that if there's an honest bone still connected to the brain.

I have doubts.

Look at the recent dialogue: Belinda quickly accuses me of 'feelings', a projection on her part. And Sculptor quickly resorts to personal insults. These liberal-leftists rely on their own emotional validation and justification for 'why' and 'how' they believe, act, and vote as they do. I'd simplify matters down to the fact that the majority of humanity are mere pawns to "The State", whichever particular state-government matters not. Thus, Philosophically, it's best to identify the truly rebellious types, opinions, perspectives, and thinkers. It's easy to "go along to get along". It's difficult to swim against the stream. I mentioned the point to Belinda, but she was too blunt to understand or accept it. Politics is the matter of time & place it dwells in.

In 2022, rebels will attack the corruption of "Globohomo WEF, Nato, and Biden's 'Liberal-world-order'" bullshit.

In 1022, rebels attacked Roman Catholic, the Pope's political corruption.

The stage changes, but the theatrical play is the same.


So what I was and am getting at, is a rebelliousness that transcends its particular place & time, or political climate, a 'timeless' rebelliousness. Philosophy very much began as an antagonism between the politically Just versus the Unjust. It was a debate about Justice.

It's true that all philosophy boils down to "How should I live?" Socrates said the unexamined life is not worth living. Jesus similarly tried to teach people to examine their lives.

Rebelliousness is sometimes good and sometimes bad. Today, in view of the rebellion in Iran against the Ayatollah's cruel and murdering regime I think rebellion is much to be desired and applauded.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:44 amIt's true that all philosophy boils down to "How should I live?" Socrates said the unexamined life is not worth living. Jesus similarly tried to teach people to examine their lives.

Rebelliousness is sometimes good and sometimes bad. Today, in view of the rebellion in Iran against the Ayatollah's cruel and murdering regime I think rebellion is much to be desired and applauded.

Here you are implying that women deep in the Middle East, at the holy center of Islam, wanting to show their hair in public, is equivalent to liberals and leftists teaching kids about butt sex and to castrate and mutilate themselves in the West.

Socrates would not approve, Belinda.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:49 amIt's easy to "go along to get along". It's difficult to swim against the stream. I mentioned the point to Belinda, but she was too blunt to understand or accept it. Politics is the matter of time & place it dwells in.

This deserves some consideration from this launching pad:

- “Going along to get along,” is the cause of why folks live quiet lives of desperation. Not so easy. In fact, such a life may require something to penetrate a numbing lifestyle, and that can lead to trouble. (Whisper … did you hear why he did it? No, why. It’s because he lived a life of quiet desperation, but he was a polite man.)

- When swimming upstream is choiceless, the first difficulties of newness soon give way to an effortless way of being.

So what I was and am getting at, is a rebelliousness that transcends its particular place & time, or political climate, a 'timeless' rebelliousness. Philosophy very much began as an antagonism between the politically Just versus the Unjust. It was a debate about Justice.

Justice is fairness, and a government of injustice just ain't right. Thus the amazing brilliance of the US Constitution. It codified justice and fairness so that eventually in time, human evolution of consciousness caught up with the Enlightenment-inspired map of governance, and left behind the institution of slavery that had always existed. Nod to the British for paving the way in the early 19th century, although from what I hear the British continued to encourage slavery in the colonies. Harvesting tea, sugar, tobacco, cotton and foodstuffs ... that's grunt work for slaves if it was to be most profitable.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:56 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:44 amIt's true that all philosophy boils down to "How should I live?" Socrates said the unexamined life is not worth living. Jesus similarly tried to teach people to examine their lives.

Rebelliousness is sometimes good and sometimes bad. Today, in view of the rebellion in Iran against the Ayatollah's cruel and murdering regime I think rebellion is much to be desired and applauded.

Here you are implying that women deep in the Middle East, at the holy center of Islam, wanting to show their hair in public, is equivalent to liberals and leftists teaching kids about butt sex and to castrate and mutilate themselves in the West.

Socrates would not approve, Belinda.

Iran is not the "holy centre of islam". Muhammad the holy prophet of Islam who did much to liberate Arabian women and establish justice would if he were a modern man be horrified at women being murdered by a political regime and its morality police.

Right thinking people all rebel against castration and mutilation of little boys and girls, slaves, and helpless women. Cruelty is unjust and immoral: buggery is not unjust and immoral. Many people take the view that both cruelty and buggery are unaesthetic .Although, really you are ridiculous to condemn cruelty and buggery as if they were morally equivalent.

"... is equivalent to liberals and leftists teaching kids about butt sex and to castrate and mutilate themselves in the West."

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:48 pmMuhammad the holy prophet of Islam who did much to liberate Arabian women and establish justice would if he were a modern man be horrified at women being murdered by a political regime and its morality police.

LMAO! Thank you for this comment Belinda, I was burst-out-loud laughing for the past few days!

Now I understand that your British nieces will be shrouded in the Islamic garments and Burkhas, your sons will be converted, bowed and bent toward Mecca. Islam is the future of England; because you have no courage or backbone. English "culture" is fated toward destruction.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:06 pm "... is equivalent to liberals and leftists teaching kids about butt sex and to castrate and mutilate themselves in the West."


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