Why humans can't get rid of their egos ?

[Dontaskme]

You are the circle.

You may be - I am not.

I avoid circularities like the plague.

You are consciousness that does not move an inch, you are the unmoved mover. You cannot point to yourself the reference point. You can only point away from yourself in every direction forming a circle around your reference point locking you inside, there is no way out of circular reasoning, because you are the one creating it.

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[Logik]

You are consciousness

No I am not. I may be PART OF consciousness. But I am not consciousness.

Not by your definition anyway.

[Atla]

Leave Ken alone, he is what he is, doing the best he can, and that will never change. You have no right to judge him harshly, stop being spiteful and mean spirited just to make yourself look more superior. You once said to me to forget it that I will never get it..oh really? what the heck would you know about that? are you God speaking now?

Relative verbal expression of the ineffable Absolute...is absurd, don't blame the person ..clownshoe!...seems you revel in having a cheap laugh at another persons expense, and this just about sums you up...your the clownshoe here, no one else.

Yeah this is really hilarious isn't it, really funny...no it's NOT!!! Such is the nature of conceptual expression. All thinking and talking functions within the pairs of opposites. It is all 'wrong' and it is all 'fun' and perfect as it is.

Let it be, this is not a bitching contest.

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You are the mean spirited here, instead of trying to help him, you want him to remain screwed up for the rest of his life. Why are you so malignant?

I would NOT be "so concerned" about me atla. The more I am observing and witnessing, especially from one's like yourself, the more things are being verified, and this is helping me to communicate better. Unlike "you" where you found yourself getting more and more in delusion in what you were looking for and thinking you were finding the more I am learning in regards to being able to communicate what was, completely unintentionally, discovered and found. Unlike "you" I did not become screwed up and wrecked. I became better and healed. Although through your comments you would love to see me screwed and wrecked, this just is NOT happening. You really do need to stop BELIEVING that i was any sort of path that you were once on.

Please keep up ALL of your views, judgement, and comments regarding me and my writings. They are far more helpful, than any hindrance at all, to me.

But you've just shown that I've been almost completely spot on about the kind of insanity you've come up with.
Well, your problem

[Dontaskme]

You are consciousness

No I am not. I may be PART OF consciousness. But I am not consciousness.

Not by your definition anyway.

You really have no understanding of what is consciousness have you...and yet you think you can replicate it ..oh the irony.

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[Logik]

You really have no understanding of what is consciousness have you...and yet you think you can replicate it ..oh the irony.

I don't know what consciousness is, but you profess that you do!

So if I can create SOMETHING that fools you into recognizing it as consciousness then surely the joke is on you?

[Logik]

But you've just shown that I've been almost completely spot on about the kind of insanity you've come up with.
Well, your problem

In my proffessional, scientific opinion Age's mind is far more sensitive to inconsistencies/contradictions than yours.
He is a born scientist. You aren't.

He just has no fucking clue how to communicate, and hasn't figured out yet that the contradictions are only in language.

Or maybe he has *shrug*.

On the other hand - both of you suffer from the exact same mental defect. You are irrationaly afraid of being wrong.

[Dontaskme]

You really have no understanding of what is consciousness have you...and yet you think you can replicate it ..oh the irony.

I don't know what consciousness is, but you do.

So if I can fool you into thinking that something is consciousness when it isn't. Then surely I have succeeded?

You really don't listen do you?

Consciousness cannot know it is consciousness....knowing is on reflection, consciousness looking at itself...a mirror image of itself.

There is no way that consciousness can know if another consciousness exists...for one very good reason there is nothing outside or inside of it but itself reflecting itself everwhere as imaged.

Behind the image and within it are nothing. The image has no behind or within, any more than the image in an apparent nightly dream has a behind or within.

There is no spark or focal point or bits or loci or any other differentiator of consciousness in, or associated with, the image seen.

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[Logik]

Consciousness cannot know it is consciousness....knowing is on reflection, consciousness looking at itself...a mirror image of itself.

This is all rather congfusing to me so I am going to ask you a yes/no question.

Can consciousness RECOGNIZE itself?

[Dontaskme]

You really have no understanding of what is consciousness have you...and yet you think you can replicate it ..oh the irony.

I don't know what consciousness is, but you profess that you do!

So if I can create SOMETHING that fools you into recognizing it as consciousness then surely the joke is on you?

One is wholly present.

It's doesn't need a middle man to profess that self-shining self-evident truth.

So yeah, the yolk is defintely on the middle man.

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[Dontaskme]

Can consciousness RECOGNIZE itself?

No.

[Logik]

Can consciousness RECOGNIZE itself?

No.

Can you recognize consciousness?

[Dontaskme]

Can consciousness RECOGNIZE itself?

No.

Can you recognize consciousness?

That's double speak. It's N/A to the discussion. You are just getting lost in semantics and concepts now.

There is no you because there is no other than you.





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[Logik]

No.

Can you recognize consciousness?

That's double speak. It's N/A to the discussion. You are just getting lost in semantics and concepts now.

There is no you because there is no other than you.

OK. Different question. Are you consciousness?

[Atla]

But you've just shown that I've been almost completely spot on about the kind of insanity you've come up with.
Well, your problem

In my proffessional, scientific opinion Age's mind is far more sensitive to inconsistencies/contradictions than yours.
He is a born scientist. You aren't.

He just has no fucking clue how to communicate, and hasn't figured out yet that the contradictions are only in language.

Or maybe he has *shrug*.

On the other hand - both of you suffer from the exact same mental defect. You are irrationaly afraid of being wrong.

Hehe very well, I'll let you in on a little secret but you'll rerget this.

What you don't get is that I'm some sort of an acquired savant, when it comes to existential intelligence. Such an ability can't be measured in IQ but if I had to put a number on it, it's somewhere around 200. Also, I have decades of experience with unusual states of mind etc.

I'm far more existentially intelligent than all of you put together and I've put pretty much all relevant knowledge known by humanity into my subconscious, having it processed. I had to decrease my intelligence several times as it is, to be able to talk to you people about some basic things in basic ways, in a way and to a point which is comprehensible to you.

I'm just here for fun, talking about a few things, I'm not even serious. But every major idea you can find on this forum, I already considered, weighed at least a decade ago, using the scientific method and using probabilities, and then went far, far beyond that.

So much for your professional opinion.

[Logik]

Hehe very well, I'll let you in on a little secret but you'll rerget this.

What you don't get is that I'm some sort of an acquired savant, when it comes to existential intelligence. Such an ability can't be measured in IQ but if I had to put a number on it, it's somewhere around 200. Also, I have decades of experience with unusual states of mind etc.

I'm far more existentially intelligent than all of you put together and I've put pretty much all relevant knowledge known by humanity into my subconscious, having it processed. I had to decrease my intelligence several times as it is, to be able to talk to you people about some basic things in basic ways, in a way and to a point which is comprehensible to you.

I'm just here for fun, talking about a few things, I'm not even serious. But every major idea you can find on this forum, I already considered, weighed at least a decade ago, using the scientific method and using probabilities, and then went far, far beyond that.

So much for your professional opinion.

Perfect! I accept all of that. I accept that you have done your due-dilligence, and you have examined all the factors and that I shall give you the benefit of the doubt that you are much smarter than me and so it's unlikely that you have made any errors.

So the only thing left in doubt is the incompleteness of your knowledge - the information that you do not have.

Now tell me where your uncertainty lies. What evidence would convince you that you are wrong? What is your black swan?

The fact that you CAN'T DO THAT is precisely my proffesional opinion.

You aren't a scientist.

You have shifted the burden of DISPROOF onto us.