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Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:29 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:25 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 3:54 pm Henry Miller and Brenda Venus starred as themselves in their Movie of Life, and although Henry was the catch in that relationship, he would have likely disagreed because of his considerable blessing.

(Google Images: Henry Miller and Brenda Venus)

Not sure if I would call Henry Miller a "catch", other than the money and fame. Brenda looks more like the "catch" to me. She could probably have any man she wanted.

Hmm. The reasoning is quite simple, Gary.

Why would such a beauty desire Henry? Because, he was the catch and from what I've understood, also quite kind in person although savagely truthful with his prose.

If Miller weren't a famous author, people would have considered him a dirty old man who hooked up with someone old enough to be his granddaughter. I wonder how one would address her parents, who (if married) would be his father and mother-in-law. Would he have walked in and said, "Hi Mom and Dad"?

Just curious.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:41 pm Just curious.

Fred Ward and Scott Glenn have portrayed Miller in film, but it’s tough for a non-genius to accurately portray a genius, although the inverse is possible.

A year before Miller died, interacting with Brenda Venus.

Dinner With Henry Miller (1979) [Interview / Documentary / Footage / Home / Brenda Venus]*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylsqjnjdzds
(Immersion in the moment and all the thoughts the moment conjures.)

* Edit at the end ... Miller dob is 1891, not 1896.

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:56 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:41 pm Just curious.

Fred Ward and Scott Glenn have portrayed Miller in film, but it’s tough for a non-genius to accurately portray a genius, although the inverse is possible.

A year before Miller died, interacting with Brenda Venus.

Dinner With Henry Miller (1979) [Interview / Documentary / Footage / Home / Brenda Venus]*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylsqjnjdzds
(Immersion in the moment and all the thoughts the moment conjures.)

* Edit at the end ... Miller dob is 1891, not 1896.

Looks like he had a few wives. I guess when he got tired of one, he traded her in? Must be nice. Some have it all, I guess.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:03 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:56 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:41 pm Just curious.

Fred Ward and Scott Glenn have portrayed Miller in film, but it’s tough for a non-genius to accurately portray a genius, although the inverse is possible.

A year before Miller died, interacting with Brenda Venus.

Dinner With Henry Miller (1979) [Interview / Documentary / Footage / Home / Brenda Venus]*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylsqjnjdzds
(Immersion in the moment and all the thoughts the moment conjures.)

* Edit at the end ... Miller dob is 1891, not 1896.

Looks like he had a few wives. I guess when he got tired of one, he traded her in? Must be nice. Some have it all, I guess.

Is that how you judge a 'nice life'? By how disgustingly a man treats women? You make me sick.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:37 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:03 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:56 pm
Fred Ward and Scott Glenn have portrayed Miller in film, but it’s tough for a non-genius to accurately portray a genius, although the inverse is possible.

A year before Miller died, interacting with Brenda Venus.

Dinner With Henry Miller (1979) [Interview / Documentary / Footage / Home / Brenda Venus]*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylsqjnjdzds
(Immersion in the moment and all the thoughts the moment conjures.)

* Edit at the end ... Miller dob is 1891, not 1896.

Looks like he had a few wives. I guess when he got tired of one, he traded her in? Must be nice. Some have it all, I guess.

Is that how you judge a 'nice life'? By how disgustingly a man treats women? You make me sick.

Well, it always amazes me that some men seem to have it all, no matter what they do or how they treat others, and others of us can't even get a return phone call after a date.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:29 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:37 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:03 pm

Looks like he had a few wives. I guess when he got tired of one, he traded her in? Must be nice. Some have it all, I guess.

Is that how you judge a 'nice life'? By how disgustingly a man treats women? You make me sick.

Well, it always amazes me that some men seem to have it all, no matter what they do or how they treat others, and others of us can't even get a return phone call after a date.

I doubt if you treat others very well. No woman wants a self-absorbed whiner.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:40 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:29 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 12:37 am

Is that how you judge a 'nice life'? By how disgustingly a man treats women? You make me sick.

Well, it always amazes me that some men seem to have it all, no matter what they do or how they treat others, and others of us can't even get a return phone call after a date.

I doubt if you treat others very well. No woman wants a self-absorbed whiner.

What does being self-absorbed and whining have to do with mistreating others?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:41 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:40 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:29 am

Well, it always amazes me that some men seem to have it all, no matter what they do or how they treat others, and others of us can't even get a return phone call after a date.

I doubt if you treat others very well. No woman wants a self-absorbed whiner.

What does being self-absorbed and whining have to do with mistreating others?

Get off the online porn and maybe learn to engage with actual women. Just a suggestion. Obviously that arsehole had 'skills' that attracted women, but also had the skills to hide his arseholeness until he got what he wanted. i hope he died alone and miserable.

Never heard of him but what a disgusting old prik he was at the end of his life. I felt nauseous watching him stuffing his face. And why is that ridicoulous woman flashing her cleavage at him? FFS.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:45 am i hope he died alone and miserable.

Spoken exactly like a "woman" truly scorned.

Right. Because I knew him Never heard of the disgusting old prik.

'Age' sits around all day waiting for me to post. What a sad little stalker Ken is.

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accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:53 am Never heard of him but what a disgusting old prik he was at the end of his life. I felt nauseous watching him stuffing his face. And why is that ridicoulous woman flashing her cleavage at him? FFS.

Miller v. California
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._California

Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court clarifying the legal definition of obscenity as material that lacks "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value".[1] The ruling was the origin of the three-part judicial test for determining obscene media content that can be banned by government authorities, which is now known as the Miller test.[2]

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Nine years earlier than the Miller decision, Henry Miller's work was judged in the United States to be non-obscene, because it is Art, which was a seminal decision.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer_(novel)

In fact, the whole life of that old man stuffing his face was a work of art.

"Its publication in 1961 in the United States by Grove Press led to obscenity trials that tested American laws on pornography in the early 1960s. In 1964, the U.S. Supreme Court declared the book non-obscene. It is regarded as an important work of 20th-century literature."

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 19, 2025 1:53 am Never heard of him but what a disgusting old prik he was at the end of his life. I felt nauseous watching him stuffing his face. And why is that ridicoulous woman flashing her cleavage at him? FFS.

That's because Miller was her catch, and she didn't want him wiggling away. On top of that, she obviously knew that he enjoyed holding court, and so she arranged the interview shortly before he passed on and did leave. He lived in the wilds of Big Sur until his last few years when he moved down to civilization. His old house in civilization probably burned up in the recent LA fire, where the governor and mayor are now planning a high density, low income concentration of dwellings on prime coastal real estate ... made possible in part by discouraging rebuilding efforts of those who were burned out because the water to quench the flames was made unavailable. Maybe they will be concrete homes, like the old Soviet Block buildings that have been converted into apartments.