Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 12:22 am
Interesting interview. I would certainly say he is not an evil man, however, populations and groups do tend to migrate.
Curious sentence. There is such a thing as migration -- and Camus is not an evil man. However, though not *evil* he may still be wrong. But let's hear some dime-store historiography and from that get our sense of how it should be settled ...
It's happened since the beginning of time. It's nothing new (though I understand the anxiety and worry about it). We like to surround ourselves with people we can relate to and when that changes we tend to not like feeling alien to our native surroundings. I can personally attest to how unpleasant social alienation is.
After the war France received tens of thousands of other Europeans, North Americans, and of course also North Africans, some Asians (Vietnam of course) and also Africans. The Europeans and North Americans, and even the Africans were all successfully, and beneficially, incorporated into French society and culture. There is a wide range of unusual and non-Gallic last names in France and these people made up and became the *France* that we know when we think of France.
The present wave of migration, about which a good percentage of France is concerned and which recently went on an extremely devastating rampage because a juvenile car thief was shot, is really a different ball of wax. It is more an issue of incompatibility of cultures. Perhaps because of the underpinning of Islam and other factors that create a social oil-and-water-don't-mix situation. Yet it is, as so many things are,
labyrinthian and complex and cannot be assessed with superficial opinions. Some part of it could be compared to the gansta culture in the US which originates in Black society but also bleeds over into other cultural groups.
But it happened to the Mycenean Greeks when the Dorian Greeks moved in and then to the Dorians with the Macedonians came (or whatever, my history is admittedly rusty and incomplete but the fundamentals are there). The Romans, Persians, and most others have been through it. Humanity continues.
Blah blah blah. You are here spouting some opinions that you pretend have relevancy. But those truly evil people referred to indirectly will refuse to listen, or care, as they hold to their outmoded segregationist ideals. The merely bad might still be reached and perhaps they will consider the Mycenean Greeks and the Romans, Persians and whoever else. Yes, idiot, humanity does not cease (this was a brilliant observation) but if you could listen to what Camus is saying he notes, and with intelligent eloquence, that something important and valuable is being threatened. And what would that be Gary? Any idea at all?
Of course, rapid change is a concerning issue. Suddenly waking up to find your native town mostly inhabited by immigrants can be unsettling. I suppose the best answer to that is to pick up and move yourself to wherever most of your peers went to. Or you can hang around and slowly get to know the new kids on the block. They're humans too and humans have a tendency to rub off on each other.
First, immigration is a phenomenon that the State is capable of controlling and limiting. So proper and direct political actions are possibilities. And they are moral possibilities if one has the best interests of France as one's primary concern. There is a very strong political movement developing that will call for, and is calling for, reverse migration. It is political and it is also *democratic*. That is, it reflects a popular will growing stronger every day.
"Pick up and move yourself to wherever most of your peers went" would be, for anyone with even a mild sense of identity and patriotism, a form of sin. The new kids on the block may not want to be *known* -- not in the way you seem to mean. You fail I think to recognize that Camus is not merely a non-evil man but one with a distinct sense of what is good. Not only for himself but also for the future of
his nation, the nation which he has a civil right to define as *his own*. What is motivating Camus died in you Gary a long time back. I do not so much mean in you as a person but in *your own people*.
Your largest issue, I am sure, is with that sense of
genuine ownership. What the fuck could you say that you *own*? Like
nothing. Therefore, I doubt that you could defend much. And it is that tone (weakness, vacillation) that is the primary
note in your post.
If all goes well, it's not a one-way street. It's a mutual exchange. Just don't bring guns with you everywhere unless you're looking to antagonize and keep things edgy and potentially hostile wherever you go. (My advice)
If a man's asshole could talk I think it would chatter like you have chattered here. You have no idea what you are talking about. You know that you have no idea what you are talking about. And what you say is what a man without any level of genuine or relevant understanding would say.
But here's the thing: many people would say what you have said. It is a disease of the mind, a disease of the moral self.
How curious it is that in your case you are a man simply waiting to die. I wonder at times if your illness is a symptom of a larger, insidious, social illness?
