Reincarnation

[Belinda]

The difference, the big diffference, between man and his tamed animals is that tamed animals are largely artefacts of breeding and domestication, whereas men are wild animals.

But don't you think that man has also domesticated and tamed himself?

All socialised persons, after the shades of the prison house descend upon them in late childhood, are war zones where superego battles against id.

There was a young man from Madrid

Who was troubled a lot by his Id

Superego said "Musn't!"

His Ego said "Dursn't"

But, by Golly, he jolly well did!

[Harbal]

All socialised persons, after the shades of the prison house descend upon them in late childhood, are war zones where superego battles against id.

There was a young man from Madrid

Who was troubled a lot by his Id

Superego said "Musn't!"

His Ego said "Dursn't"

But, by Golly, he jolly well did!

If you are saying our veneer of civilisation is a very thin one, I think I would have to agree.

[Belinda]

All socialised persons, after the shades of the prison house descend upon them in late childhood, are war zones where superego battles against id.

There was a young man from Madrid

Who was troubled a lot by his Id

Superego said "Musn't!"

His Ego said "Dursn't"

But, by Golly, he jolly well did!

If you are saying our veneer of civilisation is a very thin one, I think I would have to agree.

I am mainly saying it's a pity children become self conscious.

[Harbal]

I am mainly saying it's a pity children become self conscious.

That was going to be my second guess.

[Age]

Okay, but are you CLEAR that what you 'think' does NOT necessarily have ANY bearing on what thee ACTUAL Truth IS?

Of course I am. I am always aware of that possibility. What about you? Are you CLEAR that what you 'think' does NOT necessarily have ANY bearing on what thee ACTUAL Truth IS?

Yes absolutely.

I do NOT expect absolutely ANY one to consciously KNOW some thing that they have NOT YET learned NOR been exposed to.

I do not believe there is anything to learn in this case.

Okay, does this imply that you BELIEVE there is NOTHING more for you to learn here?

The human concept of "self" has no absolute meaning, it varies according to who is using it, and in what context. You are welcome to demonstrate where I am mistaken in this assertion, of course.

But if you BELIEVE there is NO concept of 'self' that could have meaning, then there is NO use in me demonstrating that there is.

Also, you can NOT be mistaken in what you BELIEVE. Of course a BELIEF can be False, Wrong, or Incorrect but that you are just asserting YOUR BELIEFS here is NOT mistaken.

If you want to assert that there is absolutely NO 'meaning' AT ALL in absolutely EVERY 'concept' of 'self' forevermore, then so be it. This is YOUR ASSERTION, which is NOT being mistaken here, right?

[Age]

Observations that have absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with the question posed only DETRACTS.

Are you going to fine me?

NO. WHY would you ASSUME and ASK such an ABSURD thing?

I was just POINTING OUT a fact here.

[Age]

1. Is yeast an animal?

I was just making an observation. Do we really need to have a major enquiry into such trivial things?

I assume this was at least a quasi-rhetorical question, but (or is it 'and') I am sure you know that a major enquiry will necessarily be a part of this dialogue I have intruded into. Or should I say MAJOR enquiry.

NO enquiry IS necessary, let alone a 'major' one, as it can be CLEARLY SEEN that the ACTUAL question I posed and asked was NOT responded to.

AND, since it was 'you' who thought and wrote the above it is ONLY you who REALLY KNOWS whether 'it' is 'but' OR 'and'.

ALSO, and by the way, YOUR ASSUMPTION here was, ONCE AGAIN, Wrong anyway.

[Age]

From Before Sunrise....

Jesse: Um, do you believe in reincarnation?
Céline: Yeah, yeah, it’s interesting.
Jesse: Most people, you know, a lot of people talk about the past lives, and things like that, you know, and even if they don’t believe in it in some specific way, you know, people have some kind of notion of an eternal soul, right?
Céline: Yeah.
Jesse: Okay. Well, this is my thought. Fifty thousand years ago, there are not even a million people on the planet. Ten thousand years ago, there’s like two million people on the planet. Now, there’s between five and six billion people on the planet, right? Now, if we all have our own, like, individual, unique soul, right, where do they all come from? Are modern souls only a fraction of the original souls?. Because if they are, that represents a five thousand-to-one split of each soul in just the last fifty thousand years, which is like a blip in the earth’s time. You know, so, at best, we’re like these tiny fractions of people, you know, walking… I mean, is that why we’re all so scattered? You know, is that why we’re all so specialized?
Céline: Wait a minute, I’m not sure I…I don’t….
Jesse: Hang on, I know, I know, its a totally scattered thought, which is kind of why it makes sense.

I POINTED OUT from the outset of this thread the Fact that the numbers do NOT work out with that ABSURD, RIDICULOUS, and BONKERS version and notion of 'reincarnation', which 'you', human beings, were using hitherto when this was being written.

[Age]

Why is the human being the only true pest on earth?

Because they the ONLY ones that pollute, destroy, and make a mess of the NATURAL order of things.

Does any other animal POLLUTE the air and the water that they NEED, to live?

Where else are we to dispose human man-made pollution? ....

'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, continually MISS THE POINT, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY I will add

OBVIOUSLY, if 'you' did NOT make pollutants, then 'you' would NOT have to 'dispose' of them. That is; if 'you' did NOT make a mess, then there is absolutely NOTHING to clean up.

Prevention IS ALWAYS better than the cure, is a phrase that was lost on so many people, back in the days when this was being written.

Also, 'disposing' of pollution will ALWAYS leach into the environment, that is; the air and the water, which I was speaking about and referring to here.

how about dumping it all in the most distant part of outer space, do you think that would be a better place?

These posters would CONTINUALLY PRESUME some thing, usually very absurd and ridiculous, and then "progress" from 'that' PRESUMPTION, ONLY. As again SEEN here.

NO, I think there is NO place that is a 'better place's to 'dump' pollution.

By definition, 'pollution', MEANS that 'it' WILL POLLUTE. So, to me, there is NO 'good reason' to even make nor create pollution, in the first place, let alone looking for some 'better place's to pollute than some 'other place'

If man is responsible for so much pollution and waste and rubbish then maybe that could be a reason as to why it's not always likeable to be alive.

The VERY WHY 'you', adult human beings, POLLUTE is because of their GREEDY and SELFISH WAYS.

And, FINDING OUT the VERY REASON WHY ALL of 'you', adult human beings, ARE GREEDY and SELFISH beings LED TO, and WAS, the answer, and thus providing the solution, to STOP creating the MESS, in the beginning.

And is why some people hate being alive?

LISTEN "dontaskme" WE KNOW some people HATE being alive.

Why have you NOT YET comprehended that WE ALREADY KNOW this IRREFUTABLE Fact?

Also, what you are doing here is a form of 'trying to' "justify your BELIEFS and behaviors. That is; you will KEEP POLLUTING the air and the water, that is NEEDED in order to live and keep surviving, but then BLAME what YOU are causing and creating to 'try to' "justify" WHY you HATE Life, Itself

seems like a valid reason for hating being alive having to wallow in not only our own muck and mess, but that of billions of others folks muck and mess too.

Well, OBVIOUSLY, if 'you', adult human beings, would just STOP making a MESS, then there would be ABSOLUTELY ONE.

How much more SIMPLER and EASIER could Life, and living, REALLY GET?

What about all the millions of shitty nappies that get thrown away every day, and all the billions of bloody sanitary towels that get thrown away, and that's only scratching the surface of what humans throw away each day, that they need to keep them functioning like human beings on this planet.

WHY are you asking me this here? It was ME who first stated that it is human beings who are the ONLY True PEST on planet earth

And, contrary to what you say and claim here, human beings do NOT need to 'throw away' things that POLLUTE the air and the water that they NEED to live, to keep functioning like so-called human beings, AT ALL.

To PROVE this absolutely and IRREFUTABLY True just LOOK AT HOW human beings lived, for millions of years.

[Age]

But it is working for me, I do not even have to justify why it is working for me, why won't or don't you believe that?

'you' MISSED the WHOLE POINT, AGAIN.

But whether I missed your point or not, it doesn't make any difference to the fact that it is working for me, and that's just something I know for absolute certainty and that's all that I care about right now.

BUT, what I said 'it' was that is NOT working is NOT what you are ASSUMING here. So, AGAIN, 'you' are MISSING the WHOLE POINT, which is; what 'you' are ASSUMING I was referring to is, VERY SIMPLY, NOT what I was referring to

[Age]

BUT what you THINK 'it' is, which I am referring to with the 'not working for you' phrase is NOT, and I will repeat IS NOT, what you THINK 'it' is.

Is this now understood?

But I do not care what I think it is that you were referring to with your claim it is 'not working for you' phrase.

I don't even need to know what you were referring to by saying it is 'not working for you' because it is working for me and that's all I need to know.

Is this understood, or is more clarification needed?

BUT HOW could you KNOW that 'it' is working for you when you do NOT even KNOW what the 'it' IS?

The 'it' that I was referring is OBVIOUSLY NOT working AT ALL for you.

[Iwannaplato]

“Sometimes I wonder why I worry about past lives at all. I'm having so much trouble with this one. When you remember your past lives, it's like, your emotions get spread like a dangling nerve all over the map. It makes it very hard to live.”

“It seems we struggle for a lifetime to become whole. Few of us ever do … Most of us end up going out the same way we came in — kicking and screaming. Most of us don’t have the strength — or the conviction. Most of us don’t want to face our fears.”

So, bracket off - a la Husserl - the reality or not of reincarnation. If it was the case, what does one do with the memories.

[Dontaskme]

BUT HOW could you KNOW that 'it' is working for you when you do NOT even KNOW what the 'it' IS?

The 'it' that I was referring is OBVIOUSLY NOT working AT ALL for you.

Ok, I surrender and yield to your great wisdom that you know what you are saying to me Age. Even though I personally haven't got the foggiest idea what it is that you are attempting to say to me. To be perfectly honest, I barely have the energy, will or enthusiasm anymore to even slightly comprehend what it is you are saying to me half the time, to be honest.



That said: It does appear to be as though it is working for me, yes it is, posting at this forum is a way for me to pass the time, and so far that activity is definitely working out for me, yes, it is working for me.

[Harbal]

But if you BELIEVE there is NO concept of 'self' that could have meaning, then there is NO use in me demonstrating that there is.

No, I didn't say that the concept of self had no meaning. What I am saying is that the term, "self", does not have much meaning unless it is accompanied by a clear definition of what it refers to in the specific instance in which it is being used.

If you want to assert that there is absolutely NO 'meaning' AT ALL in absolutely EVERY 'concept' of 'self' forevermore, then so be it. This is YOUR ASSERTION, which is NOT being mistaken here, right?

I am not making this assertion.

[Dontaskme]

Human beings do NOT need to 'throw away' things that POLLUTE the air and the water that they NEED to live, to keep functioning like so-called human beings, AT ALL.

To PROVE this absolutely and IRREFUTABLY True just LOOK AT HOW human beings lived, for millions of years.

But humans are not in the past of a million years ago, or the millions of years that have led up this present day now. Humans are only in the here and now, and right now, human beings appear to be a very high maintenance type of species that use a lot of both naturally formed and artificially made material resources just to function as modern human beings.

Humans 'throw away' absolutely everything that is no longer of any use to them. The list of things they throw away is astronomically off the scale. And all that waste has to go somewhere, namely the planet earth.

It's not too difficult for those with a keen eye for detail with a sharp sense of awareness, that the planet earth is dying.