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Harbal wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:45 pm
Nick_A wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:10 pm You must be anti-semitic.
I see you don't mind being PC when it suits you.
First you make fun of the Rabbi's title and then you write that his ideas are not of interest to anyone.
It's just my way of achieving spiritual fulfillment, you should be the last person to condemn me for that.
Just another example of secular bigotry.
Well if "cute blondes" are fair game for disparagement I can't really see why Rabbis are not.
Many in the past have claimed antisemitism as necessary for their spiritual fulfillment. You are not the first. When have I ever implied that cute blondes" are fair game for disparagement? What is so horrible about finding them attractive?

And Greta, there are those who lack both the emotional maturity and intellectual impartiality to be moderators. Well if they can become politicians, why not moderators?
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:19 pm
Many in the past have claimed antisemitism
I make no claims to anti semitism, although I do think the rabbit has more cause for complaint than the Rabbi.

It's interesting how you've been complaining about political correctness but are perfectly happy to use it yourself to try to shut me up.
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Harbal wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:34 pm
Nick_A wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:19 pm
Many in the past have claimed antisemitism
I make no claims to anti semitism, although I do think the rabbit has more cause for complaint than the Rabbi.

It's interesting how you've been complaining about political correctness but are perfectly happy to use it yourself to try to shut me up.
Being against bigotry and genocides isn't being PC. It is being human. Collectively we are a long way from being human. That is why IMO Einstein's ideal of the cosmic man is impractical. It simply isn't wanted by advocates of the Great Beast. The secular attraction to justified cave life rules the day
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:55 pm
Being against bigotry and genocides isn't being PC.
How many Rabbis do you suppose I've murdered?
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Harbal wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:11 am
Nick_A wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:55 pm
Being against bigotry and genocides isn't being PC.
How many Rabbis do you suppose I've murdered?
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

You mock the title of rabbi which represents a learned scholar and teacher of Jewish law. Why mock it?

Then you say no one cares what Rabbi Wolpe writes and it gives you spiritual fulfillment to mock him. You don't care what he writes but mock him as a human being, a rabbit of the collective you place him in. Sure seems like anti-semetism.
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Dontaskme wrote:The same way you can know you have a body..or you can know it's raining today, things are known in the experience. There is no one having an experience, there is only the experience. ...
You're right and wrong, there is just a body with senses in an external world having the event and this one with memory has the experience.
There has to be a real impersonal unchanging ground of all being, ...
Why?
an unbroken spacetime continuum ...
Oh I see, you can use Physics with this viewpoint can you?
to exist for an experience to be appear. ...
Why? Why not just have a body with senses and a memory for experience to occur?
Like a container of contents...The personal I doesn't know that, the personal I is an appearance in it, known, by the impersonal observer of that...aka the unknown knowing known. ...
Just waffle and make believe.
True, as true life doesn't lay claim or blame or fame to it's existence, in a nutshell it's basically meaningless. ...
All this 'true' life 'real' reality, what is it you don't like about living and reality? But I have changed my mind about your thought as you are right, all knowledge is sourced in not-knowing as it is the not knowing something that causes us to go find out.
But, the consciousness that is expressed as and through the human mind body mechanism...appears to form an energetic dynamic whereby it is able to conceptualise it's reality, it's a purely biological function of the brain observed by the open space of empty conscious awareness. In other words, any meaning has been artificially imputed into the experience of being. Conceptualisation has created meaning where there is none in reality as observed/known in the experience of awareness experiencing itself as and through the concept I am a human body. A shift has taken place, a programming of sorts appear to the brain and voilà a personal identity is born, that claims it is the body, all purely fictional of course, because it's only a concept. No one owns a body, there is only conscious awareness having a human body experience. What is awareness?..I've no idea, I am it.
Awareness is the being of a body with senses in an external world, experience is also having a memory, self-consciousness is having the former and a language, I think.
The above is my opinion only, and has been realised through years and years of self study and introspection into the nature of the sense of believing there is a separate identified self called ''me''
I've never believed there is a separate me, other than being separate from other bodies, there's just this body and it's construct the 'mind'.
Unless people have studied this subject for them self, they will have no idea what is being discussed here. ...
True but then there's those who have done so and disagree with your conclusions.
All I'm doing is showing something, it is up to people to look or not, but no one is expected to believe in what is written here in my posts...it's a conceptualised experiential exploration into the truth of beingness being a human - it is a returning to the pure self of being, the end of suffering for the identified self, and the final letting go of that identified self to merge with real self, where there is no more attachment to the outcome of naturally occurring events of life including loss and gain, pain and pleasure, sickness and health, life or death.
Not worth living then really.
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Nick_A wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:54 am
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.
Okay then, if it makes you happy, from now on I'll refer to him as Duck Wolpe.
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Arising_uk wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:33 amNot worth living then really.
No thing is living. Except the conscious ability to be able to infer and superimpose a language on top of no thing living, concepts appear to be the only thing alive, but are not, how can a memory be alive. It only appears to be alive.

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Dontaskme wrote: There has to be a real impersonal unchanging ground of all being, ...
Arising_uk wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:33 amWhy?
Because change would not be recognised if there was no unchanging underpinning substratum to reality.

Try to look at what never changes in your personal self. You have something that was with you before your birth and has continued to be with you until your death, it has remained an unchanging constant in your life...that is what you are believe it or not. You came out of it and return to it.

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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:18 am ...that is what you are believe it or not.
I think I'll go with not.
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Harbal wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:37 am
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:18 am ...that is what you are believe it or not.
I think I'll go with not.
There is no believer, only the belief there is.

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Arising_uk wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:33 amAll this 'true' life 'real' reality, what is it you don't like about living and reality? But I have changed my mind about your thought as you are right, all knowledge is sourced in not-knowing as it is the not knowing something that causes us to go find out.
That which is unknown will eventually become known, but that which is unknowable can never be known.


Thought itself is the thinker. If you remove the thought, there is no thinker to be found.

Now, where did that thought come from?
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Arising_uk wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:33 amI've never believed there is a separate me, other than being separate from other bodies, there's just this body and it's construct the 'mind'.
Awareness cannot be seen by other, so how can there be other? you cannot see other because you cannot see yourself.

The seer and seen are one. Seer is inseparable from seen, the seen is this immediate seeing that cannot see itself for it is SELF

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Dontaskme wrote:That which is unknown will eventually become known, but that which is unknowable can never be known. ...
So how come you think you know something about it?
Thought itself is the thinker. If you remove the thought, there is no thinker to be found.
You mean your feelings when you talk about thoughts?

When you talk about thoughts and thinking do you mean the same thing?
Now, where did that thought come from?
Your feelings I guess.
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Dontaskme wrote:Awareness cannot be seen by other, so how can there be other? ...
Because you are speaking and thinking in this language is one reason but since, unlike you apparently, I make no distinction between 'mind' and body I see awarenesses every day.
you cannot see other because you cannot see yourself. ...
I see others every day.
The seer and seen are one. Seer is inseparable from seen, the seen is this immediate seeing that cannot see itself for it is SELF
Really no idea what you mean by 'seer' in the above?
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