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Religion is a man made invention , we invented it , we can delete it ,jackles wrote:Religion is in side your brain.its inside every observers brain.its in side and out side.its the brain and heart its man and women.its nonlocality.its consciousness your consciousness.
The facts of the matter ,jackles wrote:Thats just your brains reaction to fact.fiction which is your tempary brain.dislikes its own consciouness or conscience what there is of it.
Absence of proof, is not proof of absence.Godfree wrote:The facts of the matter ,jackles wrote:Thats just your brains reaction to fact.fiction which is your tempary brain.dislikes its own consciouness or conscience what there is of it.
the proof for the existence of God ,,,,ZERO ,
the proof for evolution ,,,a mountain of irrefutable proof is now supporting evolution ,
creation ,,ZERO PROOF , as much as they try and con us in to this BBT, it's just nonsense ,
logic and the evidence suggest a infinite universe that was never created ,
so just to clarify for your limited understanding ,
there was no beginning , there will be no end ,
the universe was not created , God does not exist ,
and when you die , that's it lights out , end of your consciousness ,,,!!!
Actually spot-on as I see myself in the light of philosophy now and now we've given-up the kind of pointless metaphysics you are indulging in, especially when it's philosophically contradictory and meaningless, e.g. what you've just written above.Godfree wrote:The Known Universe is Finite ,
in every way ,
our understanding of it ,
how big we can see ,
how much we can prove ,
The Universe is Infinite ,
to limit our discussions to the known universe ,
is to pretend that we are incapable of any meaningful conclusions or debates ,
its a bit of an insult , and while you may see yourself in that light ,,??
'You' have found fuck all. Cosmologists have found such things, you've just goggled to find things to suit your religion/science conspiracy.I don't see myself as being limited to what I am told is real , by the main stream consensus ,
the movement you say , do you have any proof that the movement is real ,,???
not just a theory , any actual facts that prove the universe is expanding ,
we have the red shift , olbers paradox , the CBR ,
none of these are proof , they are theories , and not very good ones ,
I have found red and dead galaxies , that are just one example of facts that don't fit the theory ,
Of course!! Thats what a theory is there for, to be amended in the light of new data. If it becomes unfittable then the theory will have to be dropped. What they are doing is Science not reinventing it.so as usual they re-invent science to make the new data fit the bbt ,
What are you talking about?"SOMEHOW" these galaxies have raced through their life cycle in just 3 billion years ,
our earths older than that ,
so when they come up with this somehow ,
will people just accept it because they said so , because it fits the theory and Einsteins maths prove it ,,???
You live in a stoner world, try becoming an astrophysicist and actually proving your ideas.I'm picking people are less likely to see through the political spin of the modern era ,
Thats because you live in a nice safe world. Made so by these scientists that you decry.than they are the ancient spin of religion ,
so we will be spinning in it for centuries ,
just think of it like religion ,
it is easy now to look back at religion as a joke , for me any way ,,,!!!!
More pointless speculation. If the theory is to be abandoned it won't be by the likes of you.I think we will look back at the nearly 100 year old bbt ,
as a joke to , but most of you are being very reluctant ,
most of you are pretty slow on the uptake ...
More pointless speculation. If the theory is to be abandoned it won't be by the likes of you.[/quote]I think we will look back at the nearly 100 year old bbt ,
as a joke to , but most of you are being very reluctant ,
most of you are pretty slow on the uptake ...
The interweeb is not authoritative Cosmology nor Astrophysics.Godfree wrote:...
what was that about pointless speculation again ,,???
Now I can make it very simple for you mate ,Arising_uk wrote:The interweeb is not authoritative Cosmology nor Astrophysics.Godfree wrote:...
what was that about pointless speculation again ,,???
You clearly fail to understand what the natural philosophers achieved in Philosophy with respect to epistemology and the relations of meaning, truth, explanation and the external world. Become a cosmologist or astrophysicist physicist if you wish to prove your ideas. Until then you are doing what philosophy now has abandoned as pointless speculation or a certain kind of metaphysics but still common in the babel that is the interweeb.
So you're calling yourself a scientist now...a scientist that cannot work out the simple quote function of an internet forum is not one i would hold in high esteem.Godfree wrote:Now I can make it very simple for you mate ,
what they have achieved to date with their Arising approved methods ,,???
has failed ,,they have failed to address and reveal reality in any real or meaningful way ,
what they have done is muddy the waters , deliberately , there is no truth any more ,
so we scientists can't say religion is insane ,
we have to sit here surrounded by ignorance so the fools can feel ok about their ignorance,
Atheism is not tolerated because it attempts to get real , and society can't handle that ,,!!!
You clearly fail to understand that they failed , or we wouldn't still be in this bull shit now ,
if they had done their job we would be embracing reality instead of this pile of crap called christianity ,
your natural philosophers failed to reveal the truth ,
and instead left us with this religious nonsense ,
I will show them respect when they find some balls and get real ,,,!!!
Light, heat, sanitation, medicine.Godfree wrote:Now I can make it very simple for you mate ,
what they have achieved to date with their Arising approved methods ,,???
You're not a scientist. You mean what you who held science as the replacement for religion say about religion but now find yourself unable to do so so you think 'science' has betrayed you in some way. This is a product of your delusion as science has never had the aim of disproving religion nor 'God/s'. You also appear to think science has not revealed some 'reality' that's hidden to us but I think this just mysticism, science just shows how things work, if a by-product is that it contradicts how a religion says it works that's just a bonus. It's true that in certain parts of Physics 'Truth' is only probable now but this in no way muddies the water as there was no such pond in the first place.has failed ,,they have failed to address and reveal reality in any real or meaningful way ,
what they have done is muddy the waters , deliberately , there is no truth any more ,
so we scientists can't say religion is insane ,
If you are unhappy with your world, change it.we have to sit here surrounded by ignorance so the fools can feel ok about their ignorance,
Atheism is tolerated in all the democracies. Most of whom are becoming largely atheistic or at least agnostic.Atheism is not tolerated because it attempts to get real , and society can't handle that ,,!!!
Failed at what!? That you think there is a 'Truth' out there just shows how you are really just like the religious in your mystical desire. All the metaphysicians of natural philosophy said was, describe how to prove it such that I can test it and prove it as well.You clearly fail to understand that they failed , or we wouldn't still be in this bull shit now ,
if they had done their job we would be embracing reality instead of this pile of crap called christianity ,
your natural philosophers failed to reveal the truth , and instead left us with this religious nonsense ,
I will show them respect when they find some balls and get real ,,,!!!
That dark energy is what those evil doers are up ti isn't it ,attofishpi wrote:So you're calling yourself a scientist now...a scientist that cannot work out the simple quote function of an internet forum is not one i would hold in high esteem.Godfree wrote:Now I can make it very simple for you mate ,
what they have achieved to date with their Arising approved methods ,,???
has failed ,,they have failed to address and reveal reality in any real or meaningful way ,
what they have done is muddy the waters , deliberately , there is no truth any more ,
so we scientists can't say religion is insane ,
we have to sit here surrounded by ignorance so the fools can feel ok about their ignorance,
Atheism is not tolerated because it attempts to get real , and society can't handle that ,,!!!
You clearly fail to understand that they failed , or we wouldn't still be in this bull shit now ,
if they had done their job we would be embracing reality instead of this pile of crap called christianity ,
your natural philosophers failed to reveal the truth ,
and instead left us with this religious nonsense ,
I will show them respect when they find some balls and get real ,,,!!!
What do you or any scientist understand about dark matter and dark energy?
You are an idiot who thinks he does. You are tilting at windmills and strawmen that do not exist. At least, if they do, not for the reasons you think.Godfree wrote:...
you are incompetent and do not know what you are talking about ,!!!