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Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:39 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:03 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:42 am
I daresay there is much about God and the Bible you wish were true.

If I had tried my hardest, I could not have "wished" the Bible to be true, simply because it's well beyond any powers of my imagination. If one were setting out to "invent" a God, one could never come up with the God the Bible describes, nor manage the complexities of what it reveals about Him. But one can read it, be amazed at it, and find oneself won over by it. And after that, one can "be glad" it's true. So I suppose that now my "wishes," if you choose that word, and God do match up more; but the "wishes" did not produce God. The God revealed in the Bible produced the "wishing."

I suppose I could belittle and trivialise that, and tell you that you may well get over your infatuation by next month, or next year, or whenever the twinge wears off, but I won't, because that would be needlessly insulting.

Well, that's very polite of you. At the same time, it's not a prospect on which I feel even remotely fragile, so the caution is decorous but perhaps excessive, nonetheless.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:46 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:03 pm
If I had tried my hardest, I could not have "wished" the Bible to be true, simply because it's well beyond any powers of my imagination. If one were setting out to "invent" a God, one could never come up with the God the Bible describes, nor manage the complexities of what it reveals about Him. But one can read it, be amazed at it, and find oneself won over by it. And after that, one can "be glad" it's true. So I suppose that now my "wishes," if you choose that word, and God do match up more; but the "wishes" did not produce God. The God revealed in the Bible produced the "wishing."

That the God of the Bible is beyond your power of imagination is undoubtedly true. Also true: Greek Mythology, Hopi mythology, Paradise Lost, The Iliad, War ans Peace, and Ulysses are beyond your powers of imagination.. So are innumerable lesser works if fiction and mythology.

This is again one of those moments when somebody is making an assumption that, had he more information, even he would find amusing. You may imagine you know more about great literature than I do, and no doubt there are a few who do, somewhere. But it isn't you. That much, you've already made perfectly clear by your earlier statements.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:51 pm
This is again one of those moments when somebody is making an assumption that, had he more information, even he would find amusing. You may imagine you know more about great literature than I do, and no doubt there are a few who do, somewhere. But it isn't you. That much, you've already made perfectly clear by your earlier statements.

Good grief! I need know next to nothing about literature to mention a few famous mythologies and novels. You, not I, seem to find it necessary to brag about your supposed erudition.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:49 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:39 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:03 pm
If I had tried my hardest, I could not have "wished" the Bible to be true, simply because it's well beyond any powers of my imagination. If one were setting out to "invent" a God, one could never come up with the God the Bible describes, nor manage the complexities of what it reveals about Him. But one can read it, be amazed at it, and find oneself won over by it. And after that, one can "be glad" it's true. So I suppose that now my "wishes," if you choose that word, and God do match up more; but the "wishes" did not produce God. The God revealed in the Bible produced the "wishing."

I suppose I could belittle and trivialise that, and tell you that you may well get over your infatuation by next month, or next year, or whenever the twinge wears off, but I won't, because that would be needlessly insulting.

Well, that's very polite of you. At the same time, it's not a prospect on which I feel even remotely fragile,

I was thinking more of my feelings, and avoiding those damn twinges of conscience.

so the caution is decorous but perhaps excessive, nonetheless.

Excessive by your standards, perhaps, but common practice for me.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:21 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:51 pm
This is again one of those moments when somebody is making an assumption that, had he more information, even he would find amusing. You may imagine you know more about great literature than I do, and no doubt there are a few who do, somewhere. But it isn't you. That much, you've already made perfectly clear by your earlier statements.

Good grief! I need know next to nothing about literature to mention a few famous mythologies and novels. You, not I, seem to find it necessary to brag about your supposed erudition.

The sin of pride.

Proverbs 16:18: "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:10 pm

The sin of pride.

Proverbs 16:18: "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."

Maybe we could ask IC if Pride was the sin of Lucifer in Paradise Lost, since he's such an expert.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:06 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:10 pm

The sin of pride.

Proverbs 16:18: "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."

Maybe we could ask IC if Pride was the sin of Lucifer in Paradise Lost, since he's such an expert.

There's no point in my asking him, he knows he could tell me any old rubbish, and probably would.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:10 pm

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:21 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:51 pm
This is again one of those moments when somebody is making an assumption that, had he more information, even he would find amusing. You may imagine you know more about great literature than I do, and no doubt there are a few who do, somewhere. But it isn't you. That much, you've already made perfectly clear by your earlier statements.

Good grief! I need know next to nothing about literature to mention a few famous mythologies and novels. You, not I, seem to find it necessary to brag about your supposed erudition.

The sin of pride.

Proverbs 16:18: "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."

Also hubris, as we learn in that famous biblical story about the guy who glues feathers to his arms and then flies around until he gets too close to the sun. Oh perhaps that one isn't in the bible.

It's odd really. If you believe the story of Icarus is a fact, then you are a loon with no brain to speak of at all. But if you don't believe the equally dumb story about some guy getting his hair cut in his sleep and being so angry about that he tears down a temple and kills everyone present, then you have to go to Hell...

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:55 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:10 pm

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:21 pm

Good grief! I need know next to nothing about literature to mention a few famous mythologies and novels. You, not I, seem to find it necessary to brag about your supposed erudition.

The sin of pride.

Proverbs 16:18: "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."

Also hubris, as we learn in that famous biblical story about the guy who glues feathers to his arms and then flies around until he gets too close to the sun. Oh perhaps that one isn't in the bible.

It's odd really. If you believe the story of Icarus is a fact, then you are a loon with no brain to speak of at all. But if you don't believe the equally dumb story about some guy getting his hair cut in his sleep and being so angry about that he tears down a temple and kills everyone present, then you have to go to Hell...

Are you saying we shouldn't believe that Daedalus built the hollow white cow that Queen Pasiphae got inside of to seduce the bull with whom she was in love? If that didn't happen, where did the Minotaur (born from that union) come from? Maybe we should ask Immanuel, who, of course, is an expert on these matters.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:21 pm I need know next to nothing about literature...

That's very good for you, apparently. It's a standard you appear to meet.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 3:30 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:21 pm I need know next to nothing about literature...

That's very good for you, apparently. It's a standard you appear to meet.

Ho. Ho, ha. You are a wit, Immanuel! What a post!

But you forgot my Strunk and White writing advice. Avoid modifiers. :Very" is unnecessary.

Keep at it, though. If you practice diligently your writing might improve.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 5:30 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 3:30 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:21 pm I need know next to nothing about literature...

That's very good for you, apparently. It's a standard you appear to meet.

Ho. Ho, ha. You are a wit, Immanuel! What a post!

But you forgot my Strunk and White writing advice. Avoid modifiers. :Very" is unnecessary.

Keep at it, though. If you practice diligently your writing might improve.

Well, I'll let you have the last word on that. Thanks for your time.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:55 pm

There’s more philosophy than mocking. There just has to be.


Tearing down temples is quite fashionable these days, only they call it, Fundamental Change with the postscript of not knowing what comes next, and not really knowing what came before. Add to that not knowing why the temple, the boundary, or the morality to be torn down was built in the first place … and you end up with a bunch of Lefties blaming the conservatives for what Lefties wrought, conservatives being those who see the value in the old ways, such as work until you’re too tired to think and then read the bible to fill in the gaps to learn the proper use of language and brevity, and to learn about causation without necessarily enduring the trials of Job.

Everything you do, and how that all works out, is a metaphor for some principle or t’other, that others can also do.

- For instance, why do men get their hair and chin whiskers cut? Other than for comfort and fashion, it’s because women insist on it.
- Sampson is the natural man. Powerful, and a servant of God more powerful.
- Back in the day when all men who were strong enough to survive uncorrupted by machines were such, God made Sampson more.
- When woman tames such a more man, you have a Delilah. She was more woman, like Sampson was more man.

- Did it really happen? It happens all the time, now that men have been corrupted by machines and are easier for womanly machinations to conquer. When it comes to humans, natural selection has shifted more to sitting down than moving about like Sampson was wont to do.

- Does this mean that The Holy Bible is a metaphor? What is means is that Life itself is a metaphor and The Holy Bible is part of Life itself.
- It also means you’re living the dream, and as everyone knows, dreams are metaphorical.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 8:51 pm

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:46 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 3:03 pm
If I had tried my hardest, I could not have "wished" the Bible to be true, simply because it's well beyond any powers of my imagination. If one were setting out to "invent" a God, one could never come up with the God the Bible describes, nor manage the complexities of what it reveals about Him. But one can read it, be amazed at it, and find oneself won over by it. And after that, one can "be glad" it's true. So I suppose that now my "wishes," if you choose that word, and God do match up more; but the "wishes" did not produce God. The God revealed in the Bible produced the "wishing."

That the God of the Bible is beyond your power of imagination is undoubtedly true. Also true: Greek Mythology, Hopi mythology, Paradise Lost, The Iliad, War ans Peace, and Ulysses are beyond your powers of imagination.. So are innumerable lesser works if fiction and mythology.

This is again one of those moments when somebody is making an assumption that, had he more information, even he would find amusing. You may imagine you know more about great literature than I do, and no doubt there are a few who do, somewhere. But it isn't you. That much, you've already made perfectly clear by your earlier statements.

Does this 20,000 years old footprint belong to the fastest man in History?
https://pacificans.com/does-this-20000- ... n-history/

Answer: No. The deductions made from the footprint indicate that faster people were so fast that they didn’t leave any footprints, like Cane gliding over a rice paper mat but much faster. This was just an average guy, and a slacker by the standards of his time.

Hypothesis: The total energy of Life is finite. The energy of Life is always portioned out to the max, to whatever forms are available. More forms means that each form receives less energy. Fewer forms means that each form receives more energy of Life.

This accounts for the answer of No, above. Everyone was fleet of foot back when there were fewer humans to share all the energy available. We are led to believe by archaeologists that folks used to be primitive. Quite the contrary. Folks who managed to survive into old age independent of machines were stronger than us with our comparative measly portion of The Finite Life Force.

Those fleet of foot humans who did leave tracks, like the slowpoke in the above link, were tracked and eaten by the wiley Saber Tooth Tiger. The swifter humans survived to eventually do the bidding of morality, to run about for those who although they had a healthy dose of life force themselves, had to tend to the cave while the average man spent the day running down an antelope that eventually overheated because of the fur coat, just another day for those with a healthy dose of the Finite Life Source.

Question: Has science or literature ever proposed this hypothesis. If not, then the time has come, hasn’t it.

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I heard it from the FSK of science, somewhere, that during an ice age the total human population dropped to 10,000. Add that to the hypothesis and that means the life force of 8 billion was concentrated into 10 thousand. No wonder they survived without the internet. No wonder those biblical folks lived for so long. There weren't as many of them as there are of us.

Movement towards The Singularity has speeded up the process and made it more apparent. T-levels are dropping. People are wearing masks when unnecessary. Folks need supplements just to be normal.