a defense of drag show/drag queens..

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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:06 pm
Satyr writes: I'm curious to see how long it takes these dimwits to realize what a psychotic **** Karen is....or do they secretly enjoy the entire exchange? I think a few of them are dimwitted enough to consider her "interesting", or they've got time to waste away.
Hey, you talkin’ t’me?!?
Yeah, he is.

So, given the extent to which you are on the same page philosophically regarding so many issues, why wouldn't you go here -- https://knowthyself.forumotion.net/f6-agora -- and exchange ideas?
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And yet, obviously enough, all they need do is to stop reading what I post.
You drag the threads down.

Now AJ and FJ have both been sucked into talking about you and Satyr.

The thread is about "a defense of drag show/drag queens...". It's not about you and your personal issues.
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:08 pm
iambiguous wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 5:42 pm Here, AJ, let him help you....
you on steroids wrote: Karen speak:

"Skyhooks" = mansplaning.....too intellectual. Over Karen's head.
"up in the didactic pedantic clouds" = too abstract, too general...personalize it, dumb it down - emote.
"Down to earth" = dumb it down to below 100 IQ - put it in a soap opera scenario context, where emotions can factor in, giving Karen an advantage - she thinks.
"Nazi" = whatever scares Karen, and she cannot find an argument against it.
"Good argument" = emotional and beneficial to her cause.
"Dasein" = tabula rasa - thrown into the world where one is programmed with no hope of escaping the programming - nothing to do with Heidegger - another "nazi".
"Objectivism" = whatever lacks emotional triggers. Too general, too abstract....too rational, too logical. Whomever does not drop their beliefs just because another is presented. To refuse to abandon your beliefs for any other, is to be a objectivist...a "fulminating fanatic".
"Fulminating Fanatics" = all who hold onto their beliefs on merit, and do not abandon them and replace them with any other alternative no matter how absurd - the moment your own beliefs are proven to not be perfect, you must abandon them.....otherwise you are a fanatic - and Karen knows fanatics because she will fanatically say so, and then drop her disclaimer, "I may be wrong", at the end. But she can never be wrong about being wrong, because if it ain't perfect it ain't right, so it must be equally wrong as any other belief.
"Autocratic" = too unemotional, unyielding to Karen's adolescent, psycho-babbling manipulations.
"Stooge" = whomever she can manipulate but fails to undermine - trigger to help her maintain attentions, similar to her declarations of victory: feminine ploys. She taunts those she can manipulate into giving her attention, no matter how annoying and incoherent she becomes.
"Click" = tongue poke - feminine method of maintaining attention and annoying her adversaries. A woman thing.
"Note to Others" = appealing to the audience, implying she is having an impact, and they are on her side - another feminine, infantile manipulative ploy.
"Wiggle" = implying that she's somehow trapped you intellectually, and you are now retreating in panic; taunting those who attempt to escape, frustrated by the infantile Karen manipulations - pulling them back and into her linguistic trap.....her hole from where she pretends she wants to escape (damsel in distress). In fact she wants to pull the world into her hole....her gaping snatch....her ****.
I don't know who this person is - I assume it's satyr - but I must say, this glossary of how you use the terms and phrases is absolutely spot on.
He knew you'd say that.



Note to Satyr:

Invite him over.


Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:08 pmIt's interesting that you employ the exact same tactics here as there, to the point where someone can lay out your play book, reverse engineer it with such precision that anybody on any other forum you've interacted with for long enough could immediately and unmistakably recognize that it's about you.
He knew you'd say that too. Well, whatever it actually means, of course. 8)
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I’ll have NO TRUCK with Nazis!

Not never & not no how!
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phyllo wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:37 pm Now AJ and FJ have both been sucked into talking about you and Satyr.
Though I may not be a postmodernist, or not completely, when these *games* come up
I admit to playing along.

I suggest a 30% chance that Iambiguous will pick up the breadcrumb trail to a very worthwhile conversation we might have here.

But if not there is always ironic, postmodern play.
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30% ?

More like 0.3%
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phyllo wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:37 pm
And yet, obviously enough, all they need do is to stop reading what I post.
You drag the threads down.

Now AJ and FJ have both been sucked into talking about you and Satyr.

The thread is about "a defense of drag show/drag queens...". It's not about you and your personal issues.
Please.

The only reason Satyr popped into my head here is that, in many ways his value judgments at KT remind me of AJ's value judgments here. In regard to race and gender and drag queens and homosexuality and Jews.

Don't get me wrong. When Satyr is not in "huff and puff", "you're a retard unless you think exactly as I do" mode, he does explore these issues himself with a measure of philosophical depth you longer come upon now at ILP. In fact, the only reason he was once banned there is this: he becomes so furious when others refuse to agree with him about everything under the sun, he always goes off the declamatory deep end and starts pummeling his "enemies" with caustic and vitriolic epithets.

Right? You were there then.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:42 pm
phyllo wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:37 pm Now AJ and FJ have both been sucked into talking about you and Satyr.
Though I may not be a postmodernist, or not completely, when these *games* come up
I admit to playing along.

I suggest a 30% chance that Iambiguous will pick up the breadcrumb trail to a very worthwhile conversation we might have here.

But if not there is always ironic, postmodern play.
Note to others:

Decide for yourself:

Am I his sucker here or is he mine? Am I the fish is his barrel or is he the fish in mine? 8)
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:39 pm I’ll have NO TRUCK with Nazis!

Not never & not no how!
Okay, in that case, in regard to...

1] black and brown and red folks
2] women
3] drag queens and homosexuals
4] Jews

...you'll note the distinction between you and them in your "best of all possible communities" and the "best of all possible communities" that the Nazis would no doubt enforce regarding them.
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I'll be standing by as you contemplate a response to my recent post to you.
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There are many forms of drag. What is drag but the posing as something you are not.
Just as passive aggressiveness is a kind of drag. Playing the victim when you are the aggressor is a kind of drag.
Mindreading people and not being the slightest bit fractured and fragmented about solving the problem of other minds is a kind of drag.

Or...kind of a drag.

I mean, the men who dress up in women's clothing take a kind of ornate joy in their pretending to be something they are not.

None of this woe is me I really want your help to figure out these issues.....................gotcha drag. You have my burden drag.
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:lol: Good one
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Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:23 pm There are many forms of drag. What is drag but the posing as something you are not.
Just as passive aggressiveness is a kind of drag. Playing the victim when you are the aggressor is a kind of drag.
Mindreading people and not being the slightest bit fractured and fragmented about solving the problem of other minds is a kind of drag.

Or...kind of a drag.

I mean, the men who dress up in women's clothing take a kind of ornate joy in their pretending to be something they are not.

None of this woe is me I really want your help to figure out these issues.....................gotcha drag. You have my burden drag.
Note to Satyr:

Doesn't he remind you of Moreno?

And phyllo, of course.

You know, back then. :wink:



Only now they're fish in my barrel. 8)
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:08 pm Satyr's schema for Iambiguous here...
viewtopic.php?p=633368#p633368
Addendum:
'serious philosophers' - a kind of faux superiority from below posing. It means that you said something that seems to fit his image of what a philosopher might say, so it is wrong and too abstract. When he is abstract and uses terms like dasein, that's not being the negative version of a serious philosopher, that's being, metaphorically, a working class hero bringing heart and manual tools to help a fellow traveller.
'intellectual contraption' - a sentence with abstractions or generalities used by someone other than iambiguous. It's a bad thing to write one of these as a non-Iambiguous person.
'objectivist' - officially, this means anyone thinking they've got an objective answer to how to live, morally or even practically. In practice, anyone who doesn't join him in the precise despairs he has. Or anyone not adding enough disclaimers when they express their values or opinions (see objectivism above for the related noun)
'shameless' - an appeal to seeing someone as objectively bad made by a nihilist moral anti-realist.
'fractured and fragmented' - annoyed at not getting 100% certainty so he can make a choice. Entails others have the responsibility to lift him up in a very Eric Berne-like game.
In the game of "Why Don't You -- Yes But," players begin by bemoaning a problem and inviting others to suggest solutions, all of which will be shot down. The real object, Berne writes, is "to demonstrate that no one can give them an acceptable suggestion."
Meaning: no one is living acceptably if they aren't F & F to his degree.
'reduce' - verb used in mindreading claims about his power over other minds and what their internal states must be.
'disturb' - verb used in mindreading claims tabout his power over other minds and what their internal states must be.

So the drag is a kind of dress-up as a....
humble working class hero penetrating a realm of serious elite philosophers who are in tremendous denial and who cannot face as bravely as he does the metaphysical conundrums of this universe. A salt of the earth autodidact picked on, not for his inability to read what he responds to disparagingly, not for his hijacking of threads, not for his generalized insults and mindreading, his endless repetition and cutting and pasting of the same sentences for nearly two decades now, regardless of whether they fit the posts they are responding to or not, nor his hypocrisy, passive-aggressiveness and stubborn cluelessness, but rather because no one has ever considered human suffering and unpleasant metaphysical possibilities until he came along. Not the narcissism of his behavior, but rather his undeniable bravery and Joseph Campbellian rawness triggers everyone. So, he never needs to take any criticism of his behavior seriously at all because people can't actually be correct about why they are reacting negatively to him, and even though they've been reacting to him this way for decades on different forums.

Now that' high level drag. And it surely takes more effort to put on than even the most baroque RuPaul extravanganza.
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Wow. Maybe I should park myself over on that forum, write a bunch, and get so trenchantly analyzed — right down to my mis-matched socks — that I’d have enough material for an entire life of dedicated self-improvement.

“How I finally climbed out of a bottomless nihilism pit” I’d call my novel.

(Somewhere along the way I’d become a Buddhist, adding depth).

At the end I’d cry a gin-tear staring up at a giant poster of The Donald like Winston in 1984.
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