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Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:43 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:41 pm

Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:56 pm
First of all, yes!

Okay: let's think about this.

What makes Jerusalem "holy"? (Torah definition)

The Bible? Did I guess that one right?

Sorry. No prize. We've already agreed on the Torah definition when we framed the question.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:50 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:43 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:41 pm
Okay: let's think about this.

What makes Jerusalem "holy"? (Torah definition)

The Bible? Did I guess that one right?

Sorry. No prize. We've already agreed on the Torah definition when we framed the question.

Torah was going to be my second guess. Anything for 2nd place?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:52 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:50 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:43 pm
The Bible? Did I guess that one right?

Sorry. No prize. We've already agreed on the Torah definition when we framed the question.

Torah was going to be my second guess. Anything for 2nd place?

Wrong answer again. Torah tells us that Jerusalem is holy. But we're asking why it is.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:47 pm One thing history teaches us is that having "the right values" is no security at all at all against despotism, brutality and murder.

I can agree with that. Apparently kissing God's ass nets the grand prize. Not for me. If God wants to send me to hell, I'd rather go there than be anywhere near whatever created this universe.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:55 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:52 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:50 pm
Sorry. No prize. We've already agreed on the Torah definition when we framed the question.

Torah was going to be my second guess. Anything for 2nd place?

Wrong answer again. Torah tells us that Jerusalem is holy. But we're asking why it is.

Is it because the Mayor of Jerusalem says it's holy? Damn, I'm running out of guesses. Can I get an extra 5 or 6?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:56 pm Can I get an extra 5 or 6?

Sorry. Three strikes, and you're out.

Try not swinging before the pitch, and your game will probably improve.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:37 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:56 pm Can I get an extra 5 or 6?

Sorry. Three strikes, and you're out.

Try not swinging before the pitch, and your game will probably improve.

Thank you for the tip. Do you think I'll ever get as good at the game as you are? Honest opinion. Don't sugar coat it.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:51 pm Perhaps that hope is dusty: but I think one owes the man a chance.

It's dusty. It is super-dusty.

You own me nothing. And I ask nothing of you. My ad hominems have no effect on you at all, right. And you have just expressed that you do not bother to read what I write anyway. Stop complaining!

I am going to beat on you all the more!

And Harbal, what was that damned crack of your's? I've been fuming over that emoticon!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:20 pm You own me nothing.

You get "owned" all the time. In fact, you often "own" yourself.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:37 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:56 pm Can I get an extra 5 or 6?

Sorry. Three strikes, and you're out.

Try not swinging before the pitch, and your game will probably improve.

Try using the bat on the pitcher! Power-dynamics appropriate to our age!

(True) Christian hardball gives 77 strikeouts before one loses. But there is even the 70 x 7 rule which yields 490.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:25 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:37 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:56 pm Can I get an extra 5 or 6?

Sorry. Three strikes, and you're out.

Try not swinging before the pitch, and your game will probably improve.

Try using the bat on the pitcher! Power-dynamics appropriate to our age!

(True) Christian hardball gives 77 strikeouts before one loses. But there is even the 70 x 7 rule which yields 490.

He'll only forgive me, though. That would defeat the whole purpose.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:30 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:25 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:37 pm
Sorry. Three strikes, and you're out.

Try not swinging before the pitch, and your game will probably improve.

Try using the bat on the pitcher! Power-dynamics appropriate to our age!

(True) Christian hardball gives 77 strikeouts before one loses. But there is even the 70 x 7 rule which yields 490.

He'll only forgive me, though. That would defeat the whole purpose.

Only if you repent.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:32 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:30 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:25 pm
Try using the bat on the pitcher! Power-dynamics appropriate to our age!

(True) Christian hardball gives 77 strikeouts before one loses. But there is even the 70 x 7 rule which yields 490.

He'll only forgive me, though. That would defeat the whole purpose.

Only if you repent.

Do you mean, he'll forgive me only if I repent or it would defeat the whole purpose only if I repent?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:51 pm I certainly don't mistake AJ for Caligula or Nero, despite his desire to invoke that.

What I *desire to invoke* is in a sense more radical. And it has to do with de-Judaizing Christianity. I referenced months back the books I was reading -- works having to do with the Germanization of Christianity as Christianity was brought to the Northern peoples. It shifted, notably, from an other-worldy religiousness to a this-world focus.

While I would certainly not call myself an antisemite I am no longer a pro-semite or a philo-semite. I used to *support* Israel without giving it much thought, now I see it as essentially a criminal enterprise (I mean the way it got started). There are all kinds of wonderful Israelis. Judaism has brilliant aspects to it and tons of interesting and important wisdom, no doubt, but it is also a record to sickness. For example the entire narrative of Joseph in Egypt. It cast a horrible light on Jews. That is, when a Jew shows up he feels justified in taking over the place. And when he does not get his way his Yahweh then devastates the people who oppose the Jew. And the Jew absconds with the valuables and leaves the people desolate.

As I have stated very plainly, with no mincing of words, I find your Jew-imitation to be utterly insipid. And this brings us to Dispensationalism and the profound shift in Christian focus to be a *handmaid of Israel*. The sick idea that if you *bless the Jews* that that great Jew in the sky will then bless you and yours is something I oppose.

My impression is that your *HaShem* is Jewish and you have set yourself up sycophantically in relation. Maybe it doesn'teffect anyone else but it does me.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:30 pm He'll only forgive me, though. That would defeat the whole purpose.

That's when you lay into him that much harder. Really make him live his pious forgiveness.