How do Christians Expect to Convert Atheists?

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seeds wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:15 pm
However, if you sprinkle a few capsules (cells) of DNA onto the surface of the spheres, then a sun’s true purpose and reason for existing becomes obvious.
Now I am beginning to understand your idea that an individual can also reach god-like status.
Researchers think that if humans with full individuality would regain group consciousness, they would have a god-like power to create, alter and shape things on Earth...

According to some Russian scientist, our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also serves as data storage and in communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code, especially in the apparently useless 90%, follows the same rules as all our human languages. To this end they compared the rules of syntax (the way in which words are put together to form phrases and sentences), semantics (the study of meaning in language forms) and the basic rules of grammar. They found that the alkalines of our DNA follow a regular grammar and do have set rules just like our languages. So human languages did not appear coincidentally but are a reflection of our inherent DNA....

Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained....

Read More: http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/0 ... ncies.html
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What a load of old codswallop that site is.
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seeds wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:15 pm However, if you sprinkle a few capsules (cells) of DNA onto the surface of the spheres, then a sun’s true purpose and reason for existing becomes obvious.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:42 am Now I am beginning to understand your idea that an individual can also reach god-like status.
Researchers think that if humans with full individuality would regain group consciousness, they would have a god-like power to create, alter and shape things on Earth...
The quote you are referencing was something I stated in response to thedoc’s utter nonsense in thinking that the suns and planets would still have a “reason and purpose” for existing without the existence of life and consciousness.

Furthermore, as far as researchers thinking that if humans could somehow “regain” a form of “group consciousness”...

(implying that we once had it and then lost it)

...they would then have a god-like power to “...create, alter and shape things on Earth...”

...I suggest that if we could gather all 7 billion humans on earth into a worldwide skype event where we are all looking at and focusing our consciousness on a specific task, then I’d be willing to bet that we couldn’t even levitate a toothpick, let alone alter its structure in any way.

The “mental-like” fabric of the universe does not belong to us humans, neither individually, nor as a group.

Not even your own body belongs to you.

The only thing that you are the sole owner of is the fabric and contents of your own mind.

(See next post)
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seeds wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:44 pm The word “universe” does not necessarily mean the “ALL-THAT-IS,” and should (IMO) be viewed more as a bubble-like entity, like one of these...


...of which there could be a near infinite number.
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:31 am ...the last time we engaged in discussion, I do recall it ended rather abruptly...

...I particularly struggled to understand the part where you talked about how each individual offshoot of God (human beings) can also graduate to Godlike status. I could not comprehend that notion, so I dismissed the idea totally.
Unless you consider the event of us experiencing our second and final birth into our ultimate and eternal form as “graduating” into Godlike status, then it is already a done deal (as in our “birthright”).

In other words, Dam, what I am proposing is that we are each a familial member of the highest species of being in all of reality. And through the event that we call death, we (our mind/soul/consciousness) will each awaken into the context of a higher dimension of reality where the full potential of our being (as the eventual creators of our own personal universe) will finally be revealed to us.

How much more “natural” can the truth of our destiny be than in the understanding that the universe is a living entity, and that its creator is literally “pregnant” with us?

(See this illustration, here: http://theultimateseeds.com/Images/18%2 ... ge%207.jpg)

Understand this now, that it will no doubt take the equivalent of billions of years before we can come anywhere near that which we consider to be “Godlike” in our ability to structure the fabric of our minds in a way that resembles the phenomena of this universe.

But that’s the point of having “eternal” life, in that we will literally have “forever” in which to do it.

Now if you get hung up on the incredulousness in thinking that something as dim and illusory as our mental holography could eventually be structured into something as “solid appearing” as the contents of this universe, then remember what I said to you in that alternate thread:
seeds wrote: First and foremost, you mustn’t think that our mental holography is going to continue to appear to us in the same way that it appears to us right now.

In whatever form the infinitely malleable fabric of God’s own mind appears to him that, in turn, allows him to shape it into the structures of the universe, likewise, our own holography will appear to us in that same way.

In other words, think of our mental holography as appearing to us in extremely “hi definition” - way beyond what we experience when dreaming.


(Again, Dam, thank you for the extremely kind words you expressed in the post I am partially referencing here.)
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:42 am
seeds wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:15 pm
However, if you sprinkle a few capsules (cells) of DNA onto the surface of the spheres, then a sun’s true purpose and reason for existing becomes obvious.
Now I am beginning to understand your idea that an individual can also reach god-like status.
Researchers think that if humans with full individuality would regain group consciousness, they would have a god-like power to create, alter and shape things on Earth...

According to some Russian scientist, our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also serves as data storage and in communication. The Russian linguists found that the genetic code, especially in the apparently useless 90%, follows the same rules as all our human languages. To this end they compared the rules of syntax (the way in which words are put together to form phrases and sentences), semantics (the study of meaning in language forms) and the basic rules of grammar. They found that the alkalines of our DNA follow a regular grammar and do have set rules just like our languages. So human languages did not appear coincidentally but are a reflection of our inherent DNA....

Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language, words and thought. This has now been scientifically proven and explained....

Read More: http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/0 ... ncies.html
This all makes me wonder if a persons native language somehow influences the DNA or if their DNA effects the way they respond to their culture. It has already been known that a persons native language will effect their way of thinking.
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seeds wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:12 pm
seeds wrote: Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:44 pm The word “universe” does not necessarily mean the “ALL-THAT-IS,” and should (IMO) be viewed more as a bubble-like entity, like one of these...


...of which there could be a near infinite number.
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:31 am ...the last time we engaged in discussion, I do recall it ended rather abruptly...

...I particularly struggled to understand the part where you talked about how each individual offshoot of God (human beings) can also graduate to Godlike status. I could not comprehend that notion, so I dismissed the idea totally.
Unless you consider the event of us experiencing our second and final birth into our ultimate and eternal form as “graduating” into Godlike status, then it is already a done deal (as in our “birthright”).

In other words, Dam, what I am proposing is that we are each a familial member of the highest species of being in all of reality. And through the event that we call death, we (our mind/soul/consciousness) will each awaken into the context of a higher dimension of reality where the full potential of our being (as the eventual creators of our own personal universe) will finally be revealed to us.

How much more “natural” can the truth of our destiny be than in the understanding that the universe is a living entity, and that its creator is literally “pregnant” with us?

(See this illustration, here: http://theultimateseeds.com/Images/18%2 ... ge%207.jpg)
I really do get what you are saying, and love the diagram illustrating the idea, which I like very much. I have thought this way /your way for many years, so it's nice to see someone else think like this.
I wasn't sure what you meant at first, but it's all coming back to me now.
seeds wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:12 pmUnderstand this now, that it will no doubt take the equivalent of billions of years before we can come anywhere near that which we consider to be “Godlike” in our ability to structure the fabric of our minds in a way that resembles the phenomena of this universe.

But that’s the point of having “eternal” life, in that we will literally have “forever” in which to do it.
I've always known this, so thanks.
It's funny how some people know this instinctively and yet other people reject it. I'm still not sure why some people have always known they are an eternal being? ..it does make perfect sense, to me it does anyway.
seeds wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:12 pmNow if you get hung up on the incredulousness in thinking that something as dim and illusory as our mental holography could eventually be structured into something as “solid appearing” as the contents of this universe, then remember what I said to you in that alternate thread:
seeds wrote: First and foremost, you mustn’t think that our mental holography is going to continue to appear to us in the same way that it appears to us right now.

In whatever form the infinitely malleable fabric of God’s own mind appears to him that, in turn, allows him to shape it into the structures of the universe, likewise, our own holography will appear to us in that same way.

In other words, think of our mental holography as appearing to us in extremely “hi definition” - way beyond what we experience when dreaming.


(Again, Dam, thank you for the extremely kind words you expressed in the post I am partially referencing here.)
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I agree with your ideas seeds....I could have written all this myself...but I've not reached the stage where I can confidently describe in words and create drawings of my vision.. which is actually the same as yours... so all credit to you. I love your website, truly I do...and thanks for sharing it here at the forum..also, just so you know...you are not alone thinking these thoughts...I see them too.

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thedoc wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:34 pm This all makes me wonder if a persons native language somehow influences the DNA or if their DNA effects the way they respond to their culture. It has already been known that a persons native language will effect their way of thinking.
Yes, this kind of idea really fascinates me because I personally have found myself rejecting what my culture has tried and failed to condition me into accepting. I've always been able to see truth, and instantly know what's a lie. So it's been hard for me living what could be called a normal life on this planet. I do know I am here for a specific purpose which I am in the midst of fulfilling.

I know that kind loving words are very healing, not only to the human consciousness, but to the consciousness that is water, plants and animals alike...

I know that love is God...and love is all there is.
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Dontaskme wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:23 amI know that love is God...and love is all there is.
Err...nah - shit aint like that sister. Ive known God intimately for the past 20yrs. It drove me to hate it more than anyone could hate anything. It drove me to suicide, MY love for my mother is what saved me - knowing i couldn't put her through that...and all along God\sage would dangle 'faith' and 'doubt' around me like some twisted trip. It made me suffer to the extent of Christ's. ...and now finally IT and the sage that contacted me from the aether are FINALLY, stating they 'love me' FINALLY insisting on 'heaven' ..and confirming, that yes, i am a Christian (one that actually understands the reason for Christ's big moment)

So no - forget any wishy-washy claptrap that it is ALL love and goodness, if you want to comprehend this God entity. For LOVE - it expects little less than Christ's sacrifice --- well -- for the life of Brian anyway.
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thedoc wrote:...
This all makes me wonder if a persons native language somehow influences the DNA or if their DNA effects the way they respond to their culture. ...
Just goes to show that if you can believe one load of hogwash you're susceptible to all kinds of bullshit.
It has already been known that a persons native language will effect their way of thinking. ...
Depends what you mean by 'thinking'?
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thedoc wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:03 pm
ken wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:17 pm Yes you are right in that the word 'Universe' does not necessarily mean 'ALL-THAT-IS'. I never said it did. I was just asking thedoc to clarify how they are defining 'Universe' here. But if human beings are going to say the word 'universe' is not 'ALL-THAT-IS' and propose It how you are proposing It here with a "beginning", happening within something much bigger, then what is the new word or new label that you propose and that human beings are now going to use that satisfies the definition of 'ALL-THAT-IS'? What is the name of THIS PLACE, where all universes exist?
The universe would include all that we can know about or infer from what we can see but only in the physical sense, the spiritual realm is outside the scope of the universe. If someone discovers a means of observing other universes then whatever else we can observe must be included.
Must be included in what exactly?
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thedoc wrote:
The universe would include all that we can know about or infer from what we can see but only in the physical sense the spiritual realm is
outside the scope of the universe. If someone discovers a means of observing other universes then whatever else we can observe must be included
Assuming the spiritual realm actually exists then it would also be part of the Universe and so could not be outside of it because that would clearly
be nonsensical. The Universe would include other universes too assuming that they exist and so would not be limited to what can just be observed
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thedoc wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:13 pm
ken wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:41 pm But what does happen at the quantum scale does translate perfectly up to the larger scales. Can you provide any examples of where you think this does not happen so we can take a look at it together, and discuss. This will shine some more light on the subject.
You made the claim that quantum effects scale up to larger scales, so it is up to you to provide examples where this is true.
That is not the exact claim I made. What I did say, however, and thus claimed was, what does happen at the quantum scale does translate perfectly up to the larger scales.

Human beings labeled some thing as 'quantum scale', and propose some thing happens at that scale. Now I do not have any specific example besides absolutely every thing that can be experienced shows how what is happening at any scale translates perfectly. This experiencing of things shows that there is no actual limiter to these scales. There is only a human defined limit to scales. So, if there is no actual separation between the scales, then there can be no unlinked separate and different things happening.

Further to this, 'what IS', that is everything that is happening, can be seen to perfect, perfect as can be anyway, and how what happens on each and every, human defined and labeled, scale must and would be perfect also

I readily admit that I know not much at all of anything of what happens at any scale, but I do know that if some thing happens at one scale then it would and does translate perfectly up or down to each corresponding scale. That is of course unless I am shown otherwise.
thedoc wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:13 pm However classical (non-quantum) physics describes perfectly the process of navigating between the bodies in the solar system, without invoking quantum physics at all. According to quantum physics the flight of a spacecraft would be random and the craft would only probably reach it's target, with classical physics there is much less doubt about the outcome.
By the way if based on your logic that if I make a claim, then it is up to Me to provide examples, what happens if the claim I made was in direct relation to the claim that you made first? Do you also also have to provide examples?
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attofishpi wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:57 pm
So no - forget any wishy-washy claptrap that it is ALL love and goodness, if you want to comprehend this God entity. For LOVE - it expects little less than Christ's sacrifice --- well -- for the life of Brian anyway.
Do you think I don't know that already? I know what true love is, it's having to swallow down in one big giant gulp all the pain of the world without swooning. To stand firm at all times. :shock:

I never once hated God for all the shit I've gone through. I've thanked God for the shit, because without the shit, I wouldn't have become the lotus petal I am today. Praise be to God.. hallelujah 8) :P

Nothing can touch this kind of love Atto, you know it and I know it.

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How is real love going to be known...if not through testing you...testimony? The precepts of God. By their fruits will they be known.

Praise be hallelujah.. :mrgreen:

God is so fucking wise it takes my breath away.

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ken wrote:
Human beings labeled some thing as quantum scale and propose some thing happens at that scale. Now I do not have any specific example besides absolutely every thing that can be experienced shows how what is happening at any scale translates perfectly. This experiencing of things shows that there is no actual limiter to these scales
What happens at the quantum level does not happen at the classical level as the laws of physics are different. While there is no incompatibility
in actuality between them there is however with the theories namely General Relatively and Quantum Mechanics. And one of them is therefore
flawed [ probably the former ] but till a theory of Quantum Gravity is discovered it is the best approximation of observable reality that there is
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Dontaskme wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:42 amGod is so fucking wise it takes my breath away..
Wisdom is so subjective. But God knows ALL, if at the minimum, the knowledge it gains from the databases that is the minds of wo\man.
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