What could make morality objective?

[Skepdick]

Objective MORALITY refers to the humanly impossible, that's the whole goddamn point.

Objective FACTS refer to the humanly impossible IF you are talking about absolute-objectivity.

Which is why in the English language the word "objective" is never used in the absolute sense! Ever!
The absolute notion of objectivity is pragmatically useless because the impossible is useless!

Philosophers don't even understand how humans use the word "objective"!

[Immanuel Can]

If Reality is amoral why do some men insist otherwise?

Now, THAT'S a good question.

Somebody should try to answer, without implying it's "designed in" by anything or anyone.

And how does the gradualist "evolution" story run here? What would arrange, from the very dawn of human history, for most men and women to believe in something that's an entire delusion...until they get to be postmodern, at which time they are to reject it completely, because, as moral relativists assure us, it's actually deceitful and maladaptive to believe in objective morality?

But of course, all of that has to be explained without reference to design or intention, because evolutionism doesn't posit even a "blind watchmaker," but no "watchmaker" at all.

[Peter Holmes]

If Reality is amoral why do some men insist otherwise?

Now, THAT'S a good question.

Somebody should try to answer, without implying it's "designed in" by anything or anyone.

Here's another good question: 'If the world is an oblate spheroid, why did everyone - and why do some people still - think it's flat?' Could it be ignorance or delusion? Who's to say?

And how does the gradualist "evolution" story run here? What would arrange, from the very dawn of human history, for most men and women to believe in something that's an entire delusion...?

Here are some suggestions - involving no 'what would arrange?' preconception.

1 Human social development - from the family to the tribe to the nation - has depended on the gradual - and painfully uneven - development of moral values and rules - which we've come to think of as facts, rather than matters of opinion.

2 Moral values and rules matter deeply to us, so we think of them as facts, rather than matters of opinion.

3 We tend to make moral judgements universally, so we tend to think of them as facts, rather than matters of opinion.

...until they get to be postmodern, at which time they are to reject it completely, because, as moral relativists assure us, it's actually deceitful and maladaptive to believe in objective morality?

Not deceitful - it can't be deceitful to believe in something. And I don't think relativists necessarily believe moral objectivism has been or is maladaptive. And anyway, to reject moral objectivism isn't necessarily to be a moral relativist.

But of course, all of that has to be explained without reference to design or intention, because evolutionism doesn't posit even a "blind watchmaker," but no "watchmaker" at all.

And, fortunately, it can all be explained without reference to design or intention - as can the primitive but prevalent belief in the supernatural.

[Atla]

Objective MORALITY refers to the humanly impossible, that's the whole goddamn point.

Objective FACTS refer to the humanly impossible IF you are talking about absolute-objectivity.

Which is why in the English language the word "objective" is never used in the absolute sense! Ever!
The absolute notion of objectivity is pragmatically useless because the impossible is useless!

Philosophers don't even understand how humans use the word "objective"!

More like this is yet another example where you fail to understand simple English expressions. It's a language conditioned by both Judeo-Christian absolute morality, and scientific 'objectivity'.

[Skepdick]

More like this is yet another example where you fail to understand simple English expressions. It's a language conditioned by both Judeo-Christian absolute morality, and scientific 'objectivity'.

More like you got caught with your pants down. Again.

"The Earth is an oblate spheroid" <------ this expression is an "objective fact" even in languages/cultures which were not influenced by Judeo-Christianity.

Even an idiot such as yourself recognises that the objectivity of the above fact is not absolute.

So how can you be 100% sure that the Earth isn't actually cat-shaped in 1 more dimensions?

Maybe it's a cat-shaped, maybe it's an N-Sphere.

[Atla]

More like this is yet another example where you fail to understand simple English expressions. It's a language conditioned by both Judeo-Christian absolute morality, and scientific 'objectivity'.

More like you got caught with your pants down. Again.

"The Earth is an oblate spheroid" <------ this expression is an "objective fact" even in languages/cultures which were not influenced by Judeo-Christianity.

Even an idiot such as yourself recognises that the objectivity of the above fact is not absolute.

So how can you be 100% sure that the Earth isn't actually cat-shaped in 1 more dimensions?

Maybe it's a cat-shaped, maybe it's an N-Sphere.

I said that you were in fact once again too retarded to understand English, it wasn't a maybe.

[Skepdick]

I said that you were in fact once again too retarded to understand English, it wasn't a maybe.

Here, here. There's nothing wrong with being wrong.

One day you'll develop the emotional maturity necessary to accept corrective feedback without lashing out like an angry teenager.

[Atla]

I said that you were in fact once again too retarded to understand English, it wasn't a maybe.

Here, here. There's nothing wrong with being wrong.

One day you'll develop the emotional maturity necessary to accept corrective feedback without lashing out like an angry teenager.

But you were lashing out like an angry teenager after I pointed out the fact that you were once again, too retarded to understand a common English expression. (Just like it happened in almost every other topic as well.)

[Skepdick]

But you were lashing out like an angry teenager after I pointed out the fact that you were once again, too retarded to understand a common English expression. (Just like it happened in almost every other topic as well.)

Too bad yo couldn't provide any corrective feedback to address my "lack of understanding".

On the other hand... you are welcome.

[Atla]

But you were lashing out like an angry teenager after I pointed out the fact that you were once again, too retarded to understand a common English expression. (Just like it happened in almost every other topic as well.)

Too bad yo couldn't provide any corrective feedback.

You are welcome.

I did provide the corrective feedback. You just decided that your version of English is the correct one, not the one that like a billion other people are using.

[Skepdick]

I did provide the corrective feedback. You just decided that your version of English is the correct one, not the one that like a billion other people are using.

Hence .... the billion other people are not using "objective facts" to mean "absolutely objective facts".

Because... that would be HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE. Apparently.

You are such a sloppy thinker you can't even catch yourself violating your self-imposed "impossibility" constraint.

[Atla]

I did provide the corrective feedback. You just decided that your version of English is the correct one, not the one that like a billion other people are using.

Hence .... the billion other people are not using "objective facts" to mean "absolutely objective facts".

Because... that would be HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE. Apparently.

You are such a sloppy thinker you can't even catch yourself violating your self-imposed "impossibility" constraint.

When it comes to morality, many of them do. You been living under a rock or something?

[RCSaunders]

What would arrange, from the very dawn of human history, for most men and women to believe in something that's an entire delusion...

Just proof that the mass of humanity is hopelessly ignorant, superstitious, and gullible. There is no profound mystery in why countless individuals would rather accept what they are taught or believe what everyone else believes than to do the hard work of thinking for themselves.

The true wonder is that some individuals have been able to free themselves of the muck of superstitious religion which drags most of humanity down.

[Skepdick]

When it comes to morality, many of them do. You been living under a rock or something?

No. You are just equivocating "impossibility".

Christians accepting biblical law as gospel (which you interpret as "absolutely objective morality") is no different to regular people in 2020 accepting bad laws.

Is just submission to a moral authority. Be it "God" or "Rule of Law".

[Atla]

When it comes to morality, many of them do. You been living under a rock or something?

No. You are just equivocating "impossibility".

Christians accepting biblical law as gospel (which you interpret as "absolutely objective morality") is no different to regular people in 2020 accepting bad laws.

Is just submission to a moral authority. Be it "God" or "Rule of Law".

That must be one hell of a rock you are living under..