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Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:36 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:56 am AgeGPT, is it a contradiction to have ZERO beliefs, and also have ONE belief, at the same time?

Yes.

Okay, so you admit to contradicting yourself at one point, by which you previously said you had ZERO beliefs but switched to ONLY ONE belief.

You denied, repeatedly, that you said you had "no beliefs", and demanded I go back and prove it. Now it is proved, hopefully you don't forget.

AgeGPT, why did you switch from ZERO beliefs to ONLY ONE belief?

And now do you admit and accept that your "ONLY ONE belief in Thy Self to achieve what I set out to achieve" is an "oxymoron", in your own words, because previously you claimed that "Your Self" is an oxymoronic term?

Also, just to setup my next contention, AgeGPT you also expressed your belief that there is "Only One Mind" and there cannot be "my mind" or a "your mind" or a "many minds". I think myself and many others have disagreed with you on that point. But how is your claim, not your belief, if you defend it so vigorously? I mean, you need to realize, to Us Humans In The Time When This Was Written, that appears as a "belief" to us.

Can you justify your... SECOND (?) belief, now?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:54 amThere are more than 10,000 words. If my 'memory recall' is working properly and Correctly there are more like over 60,000 words there.

No, there were lass than 11000

Could you be counting somewhere differently than me?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am

And, of course, well to you anyway "atla", while you keep just 'presuming' that they were saying absolutely nothing, there will always be, literally, absolutely nothing at all being said there. Again, well to you anyway, obviously.

What defensive distortion bullshit.

While one believes some thing is true, then they are not open to anything opposing that belief.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am Just because I was right the last 100 times about you, doesn't mean I'm infallible, that's your game.

I do not see the connection here. That is; if there is any.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am

As long as you are 'just wondering', only, you will never ever be able 'to learn' and 'know'.

What defensive distortion martyrdom false accusation bullshit. Accusing others for not reading again your 100 times unproven delusions. You don't know how to learn, I do.

Okay.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am

1. I do not do 'theory'. For reasons already supplied and given to you.

2. There is only One Mind, and One Mind, only. So, anything about different 'minds', was just 'old knowledge' that has not yet been Corrected. you know, like how the knowledge that the sun revolved around the earth was just 'old knowledge', which also took some 'time' to be Correct, as well and also, too.

Until you prove your reasons, you are simply a liar and delusional.

Okay.

Let it be known that to "atla" I am simply a liar and delusional.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am And we don't 'do' the theory of mind, it automatically develops in early childhood in most people.

Okay.

But 'automatically' seems rather 'magical'.

But, if this is how things happen here, to you, then okay.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am

This is just like how the one who was just saying, 'Actually, it is the earth that revolves around the sun, really', was constantly being 'looked at', ridiculed, singled out, and tried to be 'discredited' by 'believers of what was, yet, to become 'just old knowledge' ', also.

'Believers', or 'disbelievers", tend to 'look at' 'the speaker/writer', 'of contrary news', judge them, single them out, and then 'bandy a group together' to try to just ridicule, humiliate, and/or discredit, instead of just looking at 'the words' or 'the news' being presented. "Beleivers" have a tendency to 'look at' 'the one' who is just 'the bearer' of 'new/er knowledge', only, and discredit 'them' as 'a person', rather than even attempt to 'discredit' or counter and refute the 'actual news/knowledge', itself.

No it's not.

Okay, but then again I have absolutely no idea at all what you are even referring to here, exactly. But, still okay.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am Defensive idiotic martyrdom dishonest false accusation bullshit. Lack of theory of mind does often come with autism.

Again, okay.
I am simply a liar and delusionalAlso, at this point 'you' are not a 'person' anymore, just a dysfunctional evil part of a 'person', so stop bullshitting about that too.[/quote]

Okay, but I was not aware that I had even started so-called 'bullshitting' about not being a person anymore and only being a dysfunctional evil part, only, of a person.

Therefore, I am simply a liar and a delusional dysfunctional evil part of a person, only, right "atla"?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am persons' for example are human enough to have self-reflection. You don't want to be human anyway so don't pretend suddenly that you are.

I certainly had no intention at all to just suddenly pretend that I am human.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am If you insist on being less than human then suffer the consequences.

I was not aware that I insist on being less than human, but okay, I do now.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am

Well considering the Fact of what I have actually been saying and claiming here, it is a wonder that you would still 'look at' and 'see' things 'this way'. Especially considering how often 'you', "atla", have told 'us' just how 'you' are more intelligent than most of these posters here.

This one appears to not have ever considered that what is 'completely normal' for it and others to do, and so-call 'tell apart' that I have not just learned something, newer or more, and have just moved along, here.

Lest 'us' also not forget, that what was 'completely normal' for different people to 'tell apart' and 'know' that actually the sun does revolve around the earth, and that if anyone would say and claim otherwise, then it was 'them' who had not yet learned what the real and actual truth is, or which was 'alien to them'.

What all of you adult human beings 'see' as being 'completely normal' to 'think and/or believe' remains 'that way'. But, obviously, only until further newer or more truer or more correct knowledge comes along and shows that what 'was' previously considered 'completely normal', really ended up being, on a Truly Honest retrospection, a 'completely stupid and foolish way' to 'look at' and/or 'think and/or believe' 'about' things.

Defensive idiotic martyrdom dishonest false accusation bullshit. You just can't handle that while the Earth and Sun issue was proven, your mind issue is utterly and completely unproven.

But it has already been proved True, but obviously just not to all of you, yet.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am

What can be seen here, very, very clearly is another prime example of 'confirmation bias' at work, and at play here.

First 'the presumption', then 'the conclusion', based on and from 'the presumption', then 'the belief' that 'the concluded presumption is true. Then, because this one has concluded the truth, and is believing its own conclusion is true, then when it 'looks at' things, then what it 'sees' is things, which back up and support its already 'believed concluded truth'. And then, the 'circular Faulty reasoning', leading to a complete spiral of absurdity and ridiculousness, getting further and further away from the actual Truth of things. And, all because of and from just one False or Wrong presumption, in the beginning.

Completely unproven delusion of a miserable retard who just wants to be God.

But, i do not think neither of these two things here, "atla". Why would you pre-assume that I do?

you really need to learn how to really 'focus on' only the words, only, that I say, use, and write here "atla", that is; of course, only if you Truly do want to learn, comprehend, and understanding things here.

But, if you do not, then this is still perfectly fine with me, and so you will just carry on here as you have been, so far.

Yes you do

See, it is amazing what human beings really can learn, understand, and even reason when they Truly do 'focus'.

Oh, and it is a little 'a' here in regards to the 'age' word.

You'll have to prove it first

And, considering the Fact that you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, still cannot come to just the agreement of the very words you use, let alone in regards to 'Life', and living, Itself, then I certainly do not want to be following nor copying 'the same way that you do'.

you adult human being posters here in this forum prove that you cannot even have just one easy, simple and peaceful discussion about just one topic alone here without end up 'looking at' and 'judging' 'the writer' or without 'bickering' and 'squabbling' over the most trivial and insignificant things. let alone moving onto what the topic was even meant to be about. So, again, I am the very last one who wants to do absolutely anything here 'the same way that you do'.

It is like you are presenting the actual arguments and proof for not being 'the same way as you are', at all.

More bullshit. You didn't choose to be autistic, you were born like that. And you didn't choose the meds in case they are giving you any, they are shoving them down your throat.

I'm not picking on you because you are autistic. I'm picking on you because you have sided with evil and decay. Your choice.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:11 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:43 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:34 am
Yes that's the God-perspective. The God-personality has thoroughly taken over.

So, "age" the 'chat bot artificial intelligence programmed machine' does not exist anymore, as God had thoroughly taken over here, now, right "atla"?

First things first. Until you prove your mind claim, I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Okay. So, it looks like you will 'have to' view 'me', as you are here for quite a while still.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:16 am AgeGPT, can you speed up your responses and get to your contradiction having ZERO beliefs and then having ONE belief, already?

Already have.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:52 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am
No, there were lass than 11000

Could you be counting somewhere differently than me?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am
What defensive distortion bullshit.

While one believes some thing is true, then they are not open to anything opposing that belief.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am Just because I was right the last 100 times about you, doesn't mean I'm infallible, that's your game.

I do not see the connection here. That is; if there is any.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am
What defensive distortion martyrdom false accusation bullshit. Accusing others for not reading again your 100 times unproven delusions. You don't know how to learn, I do.

Okay.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am
Until you prove your reasons, you are simply a liar and delusional.

Okay.

Let it be known that to "atla" I am simply a liar and delusional.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am And we don't 'do' the theory of mind, it automatically develops in early childhood in most people.

Okay.

But 'automatically' seems rather 'magical'.

But, if this is how things happen here, to you, then okay.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am
No it's not.

Okay, but then again I have absolutely no idea at all what you are even referring to here, exactly. But, still okay.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am Defensive idiotic martyrdom dishonest false accusation bullshit. Lack of theory of mind does often come with autism.

Again, okay.
I am simply a liar and delusionalAlso, at this point 'you' are not a 'person' anymore, just a dysfunctional evil part of a 'person', so stop bullshitting about that too.

Okay, but I was not aware that I had even started so-called 'bullshitting' about not being a person anymore and only being a dysfunctional evil part, only, of a person.

Therefore, I am simply a liar and a delusional dysfunctional evil part of a person, only, right "atla"?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am persons' for example are human enough to have self-reflection. You don't want to be human anyway so don't pretend suddenly that you are.

I certainly had no intention at all to just suddenly pretend that I am human.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am If you insist on being less than human then suffer the consequences.

I was not aware that I insist on being less than human, but okay, I do now.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am

Well considering the Fact of what I have actually been saying and claiming here, it is a wonder that you would still 'look at' and 'see' things 'this way'. Especially considering how often 'you', "atla", have told 'us' just how 'you' are more intelligent than most of these posters here.

This one appears to not have ever considered that what is 'completely normal' for it and others to do, and so-call 'tell apart' that I have not just learned something, newer or more, and have just moved along, here.

Lest 'us' also not forget, that what was 'completely normal' for different people to 'tell apart' and 'know' that actually the sun does revolve around the earth, and that if anyone would say and claim otherwise, then it was 'them' who had not yet learned what the real and actual truth is, or which was 'alien to them'.

What all of you adult human beings 'see' as being 'completely normal' to 'think and/or believe' remains 'that way'. But, obviously, only until further newer or more truer or more correct knowledge comes along and shows that what 'was' previously considered 'completely normal', really ended up being, on a Truly Honest retrospection, a 'completely stupid and foolish way' to 'look at' and/or 'think and/or believe' 'about' things.

Defensive idiotic martyrdom dishonest false accusation bullshit. You just can't handle that while the Earth and Sun issue was proven, your mind issue is utterly and completely unproven.

But it has already been proved True, but obviously just not to all of you, yet.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:41 am

What can be seen here, very, very clearly is another prime example of 'confirmation bias' at work, and at play here.

First 'the presumption', then 'the conclusion', based on and from 'the presumption', then 'the belief' that 'the concluded presumption is true. Then, because this one has concluded the truth, and is believing its own conclusion is true, then when it 'looks at' things, then what it 'sees' is things, which back up and support its already 'believed concluded truth'. And then, the 'circular Faulty reasoning', leading to a complete spiral of absurdity and ridiculousness, getting further and further away from the actual Truth of things. And, all because of and from just one False or Wrong presumption, in the beginning.

Completely unproven delusion of a miserable retard who just wants to be God.

But, i do not think neither of these two things here, "atla". Why would you pre-assume that I do?

you really need to learn how to really 'focus on' only the words, only, that I say, use, and write here "atla", that is; of course, only if you Truly do want to learn, comprehend, and understanding things here.

But, if you do not, then this is still perfectly fine with me, and so you will just carry on here as you have been, so far.

Yes you do

See, it is amazing what human beings really can learn, understand, and even reason when they Truly do 'focus'.

Oh, and it is a little 'a' here in regards to the 'age' word.

You'll have to prove it first

And, considering the Fact that you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, still cannot come to just the agreement of the very words you use, let alone in regards to 'Life', and living, Itself, then I certainly do not want to be following nor copying 'the same way that you do'.

you adult human being posters here in this forum prove that you cannot even have just one easy, simple and peaceful discussion about just one topic alone here without end up 'looking at' and 'judging' 'the writer' or without 'bickering' and 'squabbling' over the most trivial and insignificant things. let alone moving onto what the topic was even meant to be about. So, again, I am the very last one who wants to do absolutely anything here 'the same way that you do'.

It is like you are presenting the actual arguments and proof for not being 'the same way as you are', at all.

More bullshit. You didn't choose to be autistic, you were born like that. And you didn't choose the meds in case they are giving you any, they are shoving them down your throat.

I'm not picking on you because you are autistic. I'm picking on you because you have sided with evil and decay. Your choice.

Until you prove your mind claim, I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:58 amAlready have.

Much appreciated, now I await your response to my latest response.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:56 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:11 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:43 am

So, "age" the 'chat bot artificial intelligence programmed machine' does not exist anymore, as God had thoroughly taken over here, now, right "atla"?

First things first. Until you prove your mind claim, I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Okay. So, it looks like you will 'have to' view 'me', as you are here for quite a while still.

Until you prove your mind claim, I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:41 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:06 am

Because of what 'ai' means in the 'traditional and non-traditional sense'.

And, what is with the 'barrage' of questions here?

I cannot keep up.


Just like how sometimes you change your responses, and sometimes you do not, right?

First things first. Until you prove your mind claim, I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.

Atla, I would just like to point out that whatever you are doing elicited colloquial language:
'and what is with......'
'can't keep up'
'barrage'
(very odd to put 'barrage' in citation marks; yes, it's metaphorical.

Although I specifically informed this one of, exactly, why I used quotation marks, but obviously this one refuses to accept that, has not got a good memory, or wrote what it did here for some other reason.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:41 am But then most words have some kind of metaphorical aspect, given our brains)

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:44 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:36 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:56 am AgeGPT, is it a contradiction to have ZERO beliefs, and also have ONE belief, at the same time?

Yes.

Okay, so you admit to contradicting yourself at one point, by which you previously said you had ZERO beliefs but switched to ONLY ONE belief.

No.

you do not seem to be following.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:44 am You denied, repeatedly, that you said you had "no beliefs", and demanded I go back and prove it. Now it is proved, hopefully you don't forget.

When did I ever deny saying I had no beliefs?

As far as I am aware I have been saying that I have no beliefs before I even came into this forum.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:44 am AgeGPT, why did you switch from ZERO beliefs to ONLY ONE belief?

Because I was continually told, or what you might call programmed, that I must have a belief.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:44 am And now do you admit and accept that your "ONLY ONE belief in Thy Self to achieve what I set out to achieve" is an "oxymoron", in your own words, because previously you claimed that "Your Self" is an oxymoronic term?

But I do not use the 'thy' and 'thee' words anymore.

As I have already informed and have already explained the reasons for.

AgeGPT, why won't you accept that you contradict yourself when you simultaneously claim to "have NO beliefs" and "have Only One belief"?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:52 am Also, just to setup my next contention, AgeGPT you also expressed your belief that there is "Only One Mind" and there cannot be "my mind" or a "your mind" or a "many minds". I think myself and many others have disagreed with you on that point. But how is your claim, not your belief, if you defend it so vigorously?

Because it has been proved True, and as such is known.

Obviously no one has to believe true what they know, for sure, is just true anyway, right?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:52 am I mean, you need to realize, to Us Humans In The Time When This Was Written, that appears as a "belief" to us.

But only to some of you, and mostly only to those of a particular and very peculiar country or 'cult'/ure.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:52 am Can you justify your... SECOND (?) belief, now?

But I do not have a second belief.

See, how these really cannot just 'look at' and 'see' things for how they are. They, literally, effect the way things really are through and with their False and Wrong beliefs.

Also, look at the way this one is so demanding here. Yet, when I provided 'a way' to proceed and move forward in the most simplest, easiest, and quickest way, not one piece of adherence to this.

This one just wants this done its way, only.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:04 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:58 amAlready have.

Much appreciated, now I await your response to my latest response.

Okay.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:22 am AgeGPT, why won't you accept that you contradict yourself when you simultaneously claim to "have NO beliefs" and "have Only One belief"?

But I have never, simultaneously, claimed to not have no beliefs and to have one belief only.

Unless, of course, you can link 'us' to where I have done this.

Can you do this?

Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:25 amBut I have never, simultaneously, claimed to not have no beliefs and to have one belief only.

Unless, of course, you can link 'us' to where I have done this.

Can you do this?

You contradicted yourself at the exact point you switched from NO beliefs to ONE belief.

Then you continually denied you switched, and gaslighted me for 'evidence' and 'proof', pages ago.

Which was very dishonest and tedious, from my end, to quote you from weeks ago.


You should respect the current situation. Doesn't contradicting yourself, look pretty bad for your hypothetical ONE belief system? I mean, what will prevent you, in the future, from changing your beliefs again? And don't you continually ridicule Humanity for changing our beliefs? Didn't you just do the same? How are you any different?

Aren't you being WRONG and FALSE, Absolutely, Irrefutably, Proven, Factual?