Philosophy Now Forum

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:44 pm "Widespread non-belief and the lack of compelling evidence show that a God who seeks belief in humans does not exist."

"Widespread belief that the world is flat, and lack of compelling evidence to the contrary proved to ancient man that the world is flat."

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:57 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:28 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:25 pm
Would that all Atheists were so wise as to remain silent on matters of which they know not.

I'm not wise, I just don't care enough to be bothered arguing about it.

"Potato / potahto."

Wait, guys. I think he's friendly. I think he really isn't as bad as we think. He just wants to be included, even though his views a whacky beyond shit. I won't take back the heaven award, but I will say, you are welcome to hang out with us. Please don't go to heaven yet.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:00 pm He just wants to be included...

Heavens, no. I'm happy going where I'm going, and with Whom. You can come along, if you want to...but I'm not going the other way. That ship has sailed, and the port its bound for is nowhere for me.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:13 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:00 pm He just wants to be included...

Heavens, no. I'm happy going where I'm going, and with Whom. You can come along, if you want to...but I'm not going the other way. That ship has sailed, and the port its bound for is nowhere for me.

OK. Enjoy the trip. Write us when you get there!

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:15 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:13 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:00 pm He just wants to be included...

Heavens, no. I'm happy going where I'm going, and with Whom. You can come along, if you want to...but I'm not going the other way. That ship has sailed, and the port its bound for is nowhere for me.

OK. Enjoy the trip. Write us when you get there!

The postal service doesn't deliver to the other address.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:20 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:15 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:13 pm


Heavens, no. I'm happy going where I'm going, and with Whom. You can come along, if you want to...but I'm not going the other way. That ship has sailed, and the port its bound for is nowhere for me.

OK. Enjoy the trip. Write us when you get there!

The postal service doesn't deliver to the other address.

Maybe you should ask the government there to expand the service? ¯\_(*_*)_/¯

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 6:22 pm

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:55 pm
I like, in this regard, the motto of Gary Childress, "I'm looking for truth. I'm not playing a game of one-upmanship".

I wish you the best in your quest
For life and for love
In a world untamed
Except for the yokes and reins
Of ideals imposed
Upon inanimate lumps
of matter
By those
who want a better world for all

Likewise!

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:23 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:20 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:15 pm

OK. Enjoy the trip. Write us when you get there!

The postal service doesn't deliver to the other address.

Maybe you should ask the government there to expand the service? ¯\_(*_*)_/¯

You've already got the Letter. If you don't read it, then it's nobody's fault but your own.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:30 pm Either way, God or no God, there are reasons to have a clean conscience

Leo Tolstoy eloquently said this,
"People speak of the tradition of moral doctrine, or religion, and of conscience as two separate guides of man. In reality, there is only one guide - conscience, because only conscience recognizes or does not recognize the traditions of moral teaching, or religion."
(my translation)

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 6:51 pm
So is Israel actually a "holy" place and peoples, as Torah and HaShem say, or is it not?

First of all, yes!

After all, all the world's is a theater, as you know,
and according to the Scenario, Israel has the role of a holy people, and Jerusalem has - a holy city, and this imposes certain obligations,
after all, Israel wrote down this Script for itself.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:48 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:23 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:20 pm
The postal service doesn't deliver to the other address.

Maybe you should ask the government there to expand the service? ¯\_(*_*)_/¯

You've already got the Letter. If you don't read it, then it's nobody's fault but your own.

Well, you think I'm a "socialist" and "socialists" just want to murder everyone. What is anyone else supposed to say on the matter? And I'm the one going to hell because when I look at Christ, I see a very wise man, but I don't see the creator of all that is. I don't buy it.

Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:51 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:30 pm Either way, God or no God, there are reasons to have a clean conscience

Leo Tolstoy eloquently said this,
"People speak of the tradition of moral doctrine, or religion, and of conscience as two separate guides of man. In reality, there is only one guide - conscience, because only conscience recognizes or does not recognize the traditions of moral teaching, or religion."
(my translation)

There's not a religious bone in my body but I feel bad when I do something wrong and good if I occasionally do something right.

Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:56 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 6:51 pm So is Israel actually a "holy" place and peoples, as Torah and HaShem say, or is it not?

First of all, yes!

Okay: let's think about this.

What makes Jerusalem "holy"? (Torah definition)

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:41 pm

Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:56 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 6:51 pm So is Israel actually a "holy" place and peoples, as Torah and HaShem say, or is it not?

First of all, yes!

Okay: let's think about this.

What makes Jerusalem "holy"? (Torah definition)

The Bible? Did I guess that one right?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:00 pm Well, you think I'm a "socialist" and "socialists" just want to murder everyone.

I think you're a person who sees himself as empathetic and in need of help. I think you're somebody who imagines that Socialism is empathetic, and that it will give you help, and make the world a better place. So you're no murderer.

But the people who will take advantage of your naivete and empathy are pragmatic, selfish and darkly evil. And they will do it, as they have done it every single time in history. So by supporting Socialism, you're whistling us along to the gilloutine.

Never forget that the head-chopping was all done in the name of "egalité, fraternité et liberté" ('equality, brotherhood and liberty," in case that wasn't obvious). One thing history teaches us is that having "the right values" is no security at all at all against despotism, brutality and murder.