Philosophy Now Forum

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:28 pm
I am for encouraging the freedom which enables a person to become themselves. I am for consciously "awakening." It is meaningless to you since you are locked into an agenda of collectivism telling others what to think and do while I'm for individuality which is striving "to be." By definition it cannot be a conditioned agenda. Any attempt to do so just becomes secularism.

This isn't your interest so it is best for you to avoid it.

Only the free are free to be themselves Nick...

Enjoy the good fight.

When we are afraid to say what's really on our own mind for fear of what other people think of us is not real freedom.

If we are not free to say what is on our mind, then we are nothing more than prisoners to other peoples standards...we are fake pretenders putting on a fake face in order that we are accepted....it's lonely up above, being fake is easy, being real is the hardest thing to do.

Applying more make up to the mirror makes no difference to the mirror ...the mirrors job is to reflect what is applied ...what is applied can be wiped away...but you cannot wipe the mirror away....be the perfect mirror for others, aka your self...be yourself..the real fictional character.

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Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:04 pm Such dishonorable and slithering behavior for one who represents himself to be a shining example of some sort (above all others) -- in combination with his ongoing convoluted agenda and hatefulness of people -- is much more fitting of, say... a BEAST.

Who knows all this?...was the knower created?

You cannot of speak of such stories if these words were not already within your own knowing first. How would you know what hatred was or what beast was?.. if you had not already experienced this knowing for yourself?

Words cannot possibly exist separate from the knower.


Lets examine exactly what has been created here? Who knows these words and can the knower of words be created?

CAN THE KNOWER OF WORDS BE CREATED??

..if the knower can be created, then all words are of the knowers creation....if you claim I AM the knower, then it's all your own creation...projections.

I think you need to stop beating your self up, or constantly finding new ways to piss yourself off.

Search on Amazon for some quality teflon coating for your mind...I think yours keeps rubbing off on yourself.

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Arising_uk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:26 amYou must be American, don't be scared, words with more than two syllables are easy to understand once you look-up the meaning and they're not meant to belittle others, more to accurately describe something in shortened form as it saves time in discussion.

No, because words only serve to complicate the simplicity of being... why do you think the young are so stressed out and committing suicide more than ever before? if they're essays are not correctly punctuated or presented then they are rejected as having some form of intellectual deficit disorder, and seen as a demic of society.

..and then there's all the bs about being worried over am I saying the wrong thing or the right thing and on and on the madness goes...

When we used to be Non-conceptual Primates, that's what real life was all about, the simple life..since then there has been the development of a language and out of that addendum came the concept of ''other''...now that can get very complicated when your innate intelligence is telling you the complete opposite. Which is your natural being the non-conceptual monkey prior to the talking parrot that is the human monkey.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:25 am

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:28 pm
I am for encouraging the freedom which enables a person to become themselves. I am for consciously "awakening." It is meaningless to you since you are locked into an agenda of collectivism telling others what to think and do while I'm for individuality which is striving "to be." By definition it cannot be a conditioned agenda. Any attempt to do so just becomes secularism.

This isn't your interest so it is best for you to avoid it.

Only the free are free to be themselves Nick...

Enjoy the good fight.

When we are afraid to say what's really on our own mind for fear of what other people think of us is not real freedom.

If we are not free to say what is on our mind, then we are nothing more than prisoners to other peoples standards...we are fake pretenders putting on a fake face in order that we are accepted....it's lonely up above, being fake is easy, being real is the hardest thing to do.

Applying more make up to the mirror makes no difference to the mirror ...the mirrors job is to reflect what is applied ...what is applied can be wiped away...but you cannot wipe the mirror away....be the perfect mirror for others, aka your self...be yourself..the real fictional character.

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True but the problem is that only a relative few have any idea of what it means to be inwardly free. That is why prostituting eternal values has become a meaningless concept for so many. It seems to me that the first step to inner freedom is admitting we are not free rather than defending inner slavery. Nietzsche said we live with wretched contentment. Some are brave enough to experience, not analyse, why this is so. They rock the boat which is why they are hated.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:57 pm Lets examine exactly what has been created here?

Your creations. I'm not interested.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:09 pm
True but the problem is that only a relative few have any idea of what it means to be inwardly free. That is why prostituting eternal values has become a meaningless concept for so many. It seems to me that the first step to inner freedom is admitting we are not free rather than defending inner slavery. Nietzsche said we live with wretched contentment. Some are brave enough to experience, not analyse, why this is so. They rock the boat which is why they are hated.

I totally agree...love your replies, thank you.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:10 pm Your creations. I'm not interested.

Firstly, Look to see if the knower of words was created , we all know words not just me but you too...but if your simply not interested, then stop fighting with what you are not interested in fool. It's not rocket science.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:15 pm
I totally agree...

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. Lucky for Nick that he doesn't have any credibility to be destroyed.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:21 pm Lucky for Nick that he doesn't have any credibility to be destroyed.

Exactly, so why bother even trying...this is not about people anyway, there are no people, there is only consciousness, we can't destroy consciousness, this is more about knowledge and the misunderstanding of what knowledge actually is..which is nothing more than just a bunch of ideas that have formed in the evolved primate that is man...ideas have no knowable source.

Belief in an idea manifests it into reality...without the belief there simply is no movie. You love the movie so you keep it running, because that's what you do.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:29 pm there is only consciousness, we can't destroy consciousness,

That doesn't mean it's okay to abuse it instead, Dam.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:42 pm That doesn't mean it's okay to abuse it instead, Dam.

Then stop abusing it.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:09 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:25 am

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:28 pm
I am for encouraging the freedom which enables a person to become themselves. I am for consciously "awakening." It is meaningless to you since you are locked into an agenda of collectivism telling others what to think and do while I'm for individuality which is striving "to be." By definition it cannot be a conditioned agenda. Any attempt to do so just becomes secularism.

This isn't your interest so it is best for you to avoid it.

Only the free are free to be themselves Nick...

Enjoy the good fight.

When we are afraid to say what's really on our own mind for fear of what other people think of us is not real freedom.

If we are not free to say what is on our mind, then we are nothing more than prisoners to other peoples standards...we are fake pretenders putting on a fake face in order that we are accepted....it's lonely up above, being fake is easy, being real is the hardest thing to do.

Applying more make up to the mirror makes no difference to the mirror ...the mirrors job is to reflect what is applied ...what is applied can be wiped away...but you cannot wipe the mirror away....be the perfect mirror for others, aka your self...be yourself..the real fictional character.

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True but the problem is that only a relative few have any idea of what it means to be inwardly free. That is why prostituting eternal values has become a meaningless concept for so many. It seems to me that the first step to inner freedom is admitting we are not free rather than defending inner slavery. Nietzsche said we live with wretched contentment. Some are brave enough to experience, not analyse, why this is so. They rock the boat which is why they are hated.

True...freedom require an exertion of the will, with the will being almost inseparable from the nature of belief.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:13 pm
True...freedom require an exertion of the will, with the will being almost inseparable from the nature of belief.

I agree.

Intention is the rider of the will.

In tension. As opposed to ........meh, who cares!

Always interesting to note what you ignore.

Dontaskme wrote:No, because words only serve to complicate the simplicity of being... why do you think the young are so stressed out and committing suicide more than ever before? if they're essays are not correctly punctuated or presented then they are rejected as having some form of intellectual deficit disorder, and seen as a demic of society. ...

I'd put social media high on the causes here but in the main I think it would be because their society and culture are not giving them a reason to hope for a future. By the by it's "their" and no idea what a "demic" is?

..and then there's all the bs about being worried over am I saying the wrong thing or the right thing and on and on the madness goes...

Stop using social media would be my recommendation.

When we used to be Non-conceptual Primates, that's what real life was all about, the simple life..since then there has been the development of a language and out of that addendum came the concept of ''other''...now that can get very complicated when your innate intelligence is telling you the complete opposite. Which is your natural being the non-conceptual monkey prior to the talking parrot that is the human monkey.

How do you explain that the other 'non-conceptual primates'(and all the other non-linguistic animals) appear to recognise the "other" with no problem?

I agree that the development of a language creates an 'other' in various ways that complicates things as having a language means there must be an 'other' than oneself as you can't have the language that we do without an other existing but think you incorrect that your 'innate intelligence' tells you there are no others as thought is not the same as the inner voice and thought shows us others all the time. Or is this not what you mean when you talk about 'other'?
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Do you think you'll get the time to explain what techniques or methods you used to have these expediences you talked about that proved to you that what you believe is true?

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:26 am Do you think you'll get the time to explain what techniques or methods you used to have these expediences you talked about that proved to you that what you believe is true?

It can't be explained, but explaining happens apparently.