Philosophy Now Forum

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 3:00 pm

phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 2:39 pm You don't do any "philosophizing". All you ever do is talk about the posters, the Trump supporters, the Trump opponents ... their psychology, their motivations, their fears.

This wouldn't necessarily be bad, but he rarely gets things right. Then again he spends most of his time in a higher dimension we aren't privy to, maybe he does know better heh-heh.

In a philosophy forum, it is bad.

The forum should be about discussing ideas, not people.

To be fair, he is not the only one who is doing it. A lot of the posts here are amateur analysis of posters and personal attacks on posters.

That is what we have to talk about Phyllo! It is us, here, grappling with everything going on and our own psyches as the mediators, the experiencers, the participants.

It might be your interest but it's not philosophy.

So you're doing it anyways. I can't stop it.

But you don't have enough information about the posters to make an analysis. You dump people into stereotypical categories. And you talk about the stereotype rather than the reality.

phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 3:25 pm It might be your interest but it's not philosophy.

Pffffffttt!

You speak ignorantly.

Philosophy, purely and simply, is thought and discussion about life, what it means, what we are to do and not do. I am surprised that you are not aware of this. That’s the starting point. Now, where are you in that? Answer!

phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 3:25 pm But you don't have enough information about the posters to make an analysis. You dump people into stereotypical categories. And you talk about the stereotype rather than the reality.

First, everybody does this. It is nearly an inevitability. We are not sitting face-to-face. If we were it would be very different.

Yet too we do assemble impressions about people after so much time.

[For example, the over-stuffed chimpanzee Dubious. He writes the same post time after time after time. No growth, no change, no reading, no advancement. Running on fumes.]

Or the philosophical buffoon Wilbur Boneman. Oh what a mighty philosopher! and OMG what an intellectual loser! And those letters after his name! My my my!

Atla simply put never says anything!

Shall I go on? The point: I could make statements about most who are denizens here. And the most important point: we are all symptoms of and expressions of the time we are in. As conscious actors or as unconscious ones.

What you say about stereotypes interests me. I often refer to “rehearsals” in the sense of people whose writing is a rehearsal of their neurosis. (Hello Age). It is presented stereotypically. It has no dimension. Could almost be a bot!

And so what am I to glean from the rehearsal? Absolutely fucking nothing. It doesn’t even rise to the level of superficiality (to amend an aphorism of Nietzsche).

phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 3:09 pm The forum should be about discussing ideas, not people.

However, and in truth, in all our relationships it is not about the ideas it is always about the people. The quality of the man. Who he has become. What comes through him into the world.

The real issue is how to talk fairly about “the man” in two sense: 1) revealing oneself and 2) revealing fairly what one perceives about the other.

If you really practiced what you preach you would talk less about Putin the man and more about the ideas that move him. Same with Trump, Vance, and a hundred others.

Atla didn't speak the truth last time but will do so now: geopolitics is mostly a psychopathic power game, there is nothing remotely philosophical to that.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:32 pm Atla simply put never says anything!

Nothing you understand at least, being thoroughly confused like 3 times over. (Your metaphysical confusion, your emotional detachment confusion, and your confusion about geopolitics.)

If you really practiced what you preach you would talk less about Putin the man and more about the ideas that move him. Same with Trump, Vance, and a hundred others.

What did I say about Putin, Trump and Vance that was not relevant to the philosophical issue being discussed?

If I say that Putin can't be trusted, it's because he has a history of breaking treaties, he is making the decisions for Russia and his past behavior is a factor in any peace negotiations in Ukraine.

Did I say something personal about Putin? Or Trump? Or Vance?

Philosophy, purely and simply, is thought and discussion about life, what it means, what we are to do and not do. I am surprised that you are not aware of this. That’s the starting point. Now, where are you in that? Answer!

So gossiping in the hen house is philosophy, is it?

phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:39 pm

Philosophy, purely and simply, is thought and discussion about life, what it means, what we are to do and not do. I am surprised that you are not aware of this. That’s the starting point. Now, where are you in that? Answer!

So gossiping in the hen house is philosophy, is it?

A deliberate misreading. Tsk tsk!

If you did not understand what I said, and should you not agree, then now I know you must not be the brightest bulb in the hallway!

But since you are a bright bulb I resolve to interpret that you did understand but object that so much that occurs here (except what I write) is boringly irrelevant.

I accept your view.

Dubious usually gets up around this time of day. Dubious? You ready for a sound morning crack on the noggin?

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:49 pm Atla didn't speak the truth last time but will do so now: geopolitics is mostly a psychopathic power game, there is nothing remotely philosophical to that.

Holy crap! If you keep dropping such novel wisdom-bits Atla you are going to shatter too many worldviews! Please! Start with the easy stuff!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 7:48 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 08, 2025 5:49 pm Atla didn't speak the truth last time but will do so now: geopolitics is mostly a psychopathic power game, there is nothing remotely philosophical to that.

Holy crap! If you keep dropping such novel wisdom-bits Atla you are going to shatter too many worldviews! Please! Start with the easy stuff!

Here is another one: you are just a miserable noone who desperately has to pretend that he is part of some higher realm. No you're not, you're delusional or sick. And you also pretend that belonging to this made-up realm makes you better than others. No, you're not. Neither does your inherent emotional detachment or whatever it is, make you better than others, on the contrary.

That was last week. I’m all better now!