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...given by women for why they off'd their kids.Reasons...
I don't give a sparrow's fart what you do. You all wanna murder your kids? Go ahead. There's nuthin' I can do about it 'cept point out it is murder.some random male American religious nut doesn't think you should terminate a pregnancy
The law says it isn't, but henry quirk says it is, therefore it must somehow be so. Henry quirk has spoken.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:37 am
I don't give a sparrow's fart what you do. You all wanna murder your kids? Go ahead. There's nuthin' I can do about it 'cept point out it is murder.
I could be wrong. If I am, and man is just meat, then abortion is no more a wrong than stepping on a cockroach.Henry quirk has spoken.
Well fuck off then. It's none of your fucking business.henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:37 am...given by women for why they off'd their kids.Reasons...
I don't give a sparrow's fart what you do. You all wanna murder your kids? Go ahead. There's nuthin' I can do about it 'cept point out it is murder.some random male American religious nut doesn't think you should terminate a pregnancy
What about all the fertilized ovums that didn't even last long enough to get aborted and just get flushed naturally as late periods? Those outnumber abortions by a huge margin but apparently they are all dead babies now.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:13 amI've often wondered about the aborted fetus. Presumably God would not torture this unbaptized entity for all eternity. So, any aborted fetus has zero chance of being tortured for all time. If it is born, well, now this possibility is on the table. I can't quite see how guaranteeing the eternal bliss of an entity is unloving, while also protecting it from eternal torture. I'm still amazed at people's talent at justifying the games and behavior of their deity, but I suppose people do that with earthly leaders so I shouldn't be surprised.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:31 amPerhaps you haven't been paying attention. I thought I had made it abundantly clear that whatever the truth is, the perceptions it presents us can be interpreted in different ways. The question is not what is true, it very much is what you think. What on Earth makes you think that a centuries old book is a better source for how the world and we came to be than contemporary science? What sort of person can believe that the sin deserving of the most cruel punishment imaginable, is not believing that same book? Who in their right mind would think a justice system based on human sacrifice is a good idea? I think the clue is in the question.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:01 pmThe question is not what I think, but what is true. But I'm sure you realize that
I'll speak my mind where I like, when I like, on whatever subject I like.
You are neither right nor wrong, you merely have a moral opinion.
You might be in the wrong place, henry, adopting such a simplistic view of life is the alternative to philosophy, not the practicing of it.If I am, and man is just meat, then abortion is no more a wrong than stepping on a cockroach.
Not so fast there.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:13 amI've often wondered about the aborted fetus. Presumably God would not torture this unbaptized entity for all eternity. So, any aborted fetus has zero chance of being tortured for all time.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:31 amPerhaps you haven't been paying attention. I thought I had made it abundantly clear that whatever the truth is, the perceptions it presents us can be interpreted in different ways. The question is not what is true, it very much is what you think. What on Earth makes you think that a centuries old book is a better source for how the world and we came to be than contemporary science? What sort of person can believe that the sin deserving of the most cruel punishment imaginable, is not believing that same book? Who in their right mind would think a justice system based on human sacrifice is a good idea? I think the clue is in the question.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:01 pmThe question is not what I think, but what is true. But I'm sure you realize that
Now, to be fair, he didn't mention anything about aborted fetuses, however if certain people (I'm guessing IC) believe that personhood is established at conception, then, logically, the same harsh judgment would apply to aborted souls.IC has actually argued with me that it is plausible that humans who died as infants and toddlers may indeed be sent to Hell because God omnisciently "knew" they would have done something worthy of Hell had they lived into adulthood on earth.
Well, I sure hope neither the mother not the ovums get sent to Hell. I'd have to have a long talk with the deity involved in that decision.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:03 pm What about all the fertilized ovums that didn't even last long enough to get aborted and just get flushed naturally as late periods? Those outnumber abortions by a huge margin but apparently they are all dead babies now.
So you think philosophy is about pretending to know what you don't, or arbitrarily picking an option just to avoid having to admit that you don't know something?henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:03 pmThis from the guy whose philosophy is...You might be in the wrong place, henry, adopting such a simplistic view of life is the alternative to philosophy, not the practicing of it.
Well done, henry.
Then, not so fast. Why all the spillt tears over the fetuses then?IC has actually argued with me that it is plausible that humans who died as infants and toddlers may indeed be sent to Hell because God omnisciently "knew" they would have done something worthy of Hell had they lived into adulthood on earth.
People here in this life, find ways to justify the evil of despots. I suppose it's only natural they find ways to justify their monstrous versions of deities also. Apologists for evil on the spiritual plane.Now, to be fair, he didn't mention anything about aborted fetuses, however if certain people (I'm guessing IC) believe that personhood is established at conception, then, logically, the same harsh judgment would apply to aborted souls.
