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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:22 am 'Interesting' to note that I have been the ONLY person on here for years who is genuinely anti-war and has written about the atrocities of 'Western' countries like the US and GB in the ME, yet now, suddenly, since Israel is the topic, y'all crawl out from under your slimy rocks and pretend to be 'compassionate, caring pacifists'. Absolutely sickening.
What's so funny? It's all on here. The only time you've been 'anti-war' is when you are parroting your idol, nasty-piece-of-work Corbyn the Hypocrite.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:42 amvegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:22 am 'Interesting' to note that I have been the ONLY person on here for years who is genuinely anti-war and has written about the atrocities of 'Western' countries like the US and GB in the ME, yet now, suddenly, since Israel is the topic, y'all crawl out from under your slimy rocks and pretend to be 'compassionate, caring pacifists'. Absolutely sickening.
Just ignore the Jew-hating oxygen thief dear. He's not right in the head, poor thing.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:07 amWhat's so funny? It's all on here. The only time you've been 'anti-war' is when you are parroting your idol, nasty-piece-of-work Corbyn the Hypocrite.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:42 amvegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:22 am 'Interesting' to note that I have been the ONLY person on here for years who is genuinely anti-war and has written about the atrocities of 'Western' countries like the US and GB in the ME, yet now, suddenly, since Israel is the topic, y'all crawl out from under your slimy rocks and pretend to be 'compassionate, caring pacifists'. Absolutely sickening.
Is it then that you have abandoned or modified your former anti-war position? Was this because of the atrocities committed by Hamas or were there other factors? Do you now support the US’s provisioning of Israel with weaponry? Do you feel the actions of Israel in Gaza are justifiable? Are they atrocities or would you use other terms?vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:22 am Interesting' to note that I have been the ONLY person on here for years who is genuinely anti-war and has written about the atrocities of 'Western' countries like the US and GB in the ME (…)
It was written by a person who knows more about it than you and has taken the trouble to look beyond the MSM versions given to you by the Biden controlled establishement
NYTs today:
The Israeli military has said that approximately 20 percent of Israeli soldiers who have died in the war have been killed by its own forces in airstrikes, shelling, gunfire and accidents, many because of mistaken identification. As of Saturday, 119 Israeli soldiers have been killed in Gaza.
Yagil Levy, a civil-military relations expert at the Open University of Israel, described the 20-percent rate of so-called friendly-fire mistakes as “unprecedented” for the Israeli military.
Also killed in the war have been 135 staff members of the United Nations and 64 journalists and news media workers, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists, a nonprofit organization based in New York.
Over the past week, the Israeli military has described intense urban warfare in Gaza; nine Israeli soldiers were killed on Tuesday while trying to rescue wounded troops in Shejaiya, the same neighborhood of Gaza City where the three hostages were killed on Friday.
Alongside the fighting, United Nations officials have described scenes of chaos, starvation and utter despair in Gaza among the territory’s 2.2 million people, most of whom have been forced to flee their homes.
My only opinion is that it is a fuck-fest of death on both sides.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:22 am 'Interesting' to note that I have been the ONLY person on here for years who is genuinely anti-war and has written about the atrocities of 'Western' countries like the US and GB in the ME, yet now, suddenly, since Israel is the topic, y'all crawl out from under your slimy rocks and pretend to be 'compassionate, caring pacifists'. Absolutely sickening.
Having read many of Sculptor's posts, and understanding his social context, and that within his social context there are many Jews who are questioning Zionist assertions and assumptions, and who indeed are likely *post-Jews* in the same sense that many today are *post-Christian*, it is not only unfair to say Sculptor is antisemitic or has expressed antisemitic views, but it is calumnious. Yet we all know that today, in the present exploding/imploding social and political environment that people employ grossly false and exaggerated statements as a means to shut down the opinions of others. It amounts to a wicked use of rhetoric and it should be seen only as rhetorical embellishment of an underhanded sort.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:23 pmAntisemitism is its own strange thing. It makes people insane.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:11 pm What exactly motivates these people? I don't think Sculptor is thick, so there is something else going on ...
I suggest that if you have been paying attention you will have noticed that Israel the state, Israel the nation, has recently been transformed into the Jewish Problem. If you are brought up in strict Judaism, or on the fringes, nevertheless you are presented with what is essentially Zionism, but your sense of *Jewish identity* has been shifted from what it may have been historically to identification and support of the Israeli state. Most likely do not know that dozens of years before the foundation of Israel, as Zionism was being debated, there were some who foresaw the problem that would develop if Jewry and Judaism re-identified itself with a Jewish state and the practice of Judaism became another nationalism. It was also pointed out that were that to become the case, that every Jew, and especially those who identified with Israel and its project, would suffer by being seen as having *dual allegiance*.Wiki page: Anti-Judaism describes a range of historic and current ideologies which are totally or partially based on opposition to Judaism, on the denial or the abrogation of the Mosaic covenant, and the replacement of Jewish people by the adherents of another religion, political theology, or way of life which is held to have superseded theirs as the "light to the nations" or God's chosen people. The opposition is maintained by the appropriation and adaptation of Jewish prophecy and texts, and the stigmatization of the very people who transmitted those texts. There have been Christian, Islamic, nationalistic, Enlightenment rationalist, and socio-economic variations of this theme, according to [David] Nirenberg.
There are three types of Anti-Judaism according to Douglas Hare: Prophetic Anti-judaism - the criticism of the beliefs and religious practices of the religion; Jewish-Christian anti-Judaism - Jews who believe that Jesus is the Messiah; and Gentilizing anti-Judaism - emphasis on the gentile character of the new movement and claiming god's rejection of the "old" Israel. Most scholarly analyses appear concerned with the phenomenon described by his third definition.
According to Langmuir, it is based on "total or partial opposition to Judaism as a religion—and the total or partial opposition to Jews as adherents of it—by persons who accept a competing system of beliefs and practices and consider certain genuine Judaic beliefs and practices inferior."
As the rejection of a particular way of thinking about God, anti-Judaism is distinct from antisemitism but historically, it has also encouraged the development of racial antisemitism, a racist ideology which was articulated in the 19th century. Some scholars have found intersections between theology and racism and as a result, they have coined the term religious antisemitism.
Other examples of anti-Judaism include the Islamic doctrine of tahrif and other forms of enmity, and Marx's formulation of anti-capitalism which types capitalists as "essentially Jewish" and therefore evil.
So, the question to be asked is: How does one get out from under curses of this sort? You have to go right to the essence and dismantle the entire worldview. It is a perceptual system. It's a perceptual training. Nothing else but the world *indoctrination* can describe it.20 The Lord will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in everything you put your hand to, until you are destroyed and come to sudden ruin because of the evil you have done in forsaking him.[a] 21 The Lord will plague you with diseases until he has destroyed you from the land you are entering to possess. 22 The Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish. 23 The sky over your head will be bronze, the ground beneath you iron. 24 The Lord will turn the rain of your country into dust and powder; it will come down from the skies until you are destroyed.
25 The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth. 26 Your carcasses will be food for all the birds and the wild animals, and there will be no one to frighten them away. 27 The Lord will afflict you with the boils of Egypt and with tumors, festering sores and the itch, from which you cannot be cured. 28 The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. 29 At midday you will grope about like a blind person in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you.
30 You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. 31 Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. 32 Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, and you will wear out your eyes watching for them day after day, powerless to lift a hand. 33 A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labor produce, and you will have nothing but cruel oppression all your days. 34 The sights you see will drive you mad. 35 The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.
36 The Lord will drive you and the king you set over you to a nation unknown to you or your ancestors. There you will worship other gods, gods of wood and stone. 37 You will become a thing of horror, a byword and an object of ridicule among all the peoples where the Lord will drive you.
38 You will sow much seed in the field but you will harvest little, because locusts will devour it. 39 You will plant vineyards and cultivate them but you will not drink the wine or gather the grapes, because worms will eat them. 40 You will have olive trees throughout your country but you will not use the oil, because the olives will drop off. 41 You will have sons and daughters but you will not keep them, because they will go into captivity. 42 Swarms of locusts will take over all your trees and the crops of your land.
43 The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. 44 They will lend to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, but you will be the tail.
45 All these curses will come on you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the Lord your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you. 46 They will be a sign and a wonder to you and your descendants forever. 47 Because you did not serve the Lord your God joyfully and gladly in the time of prosperity, 48 therefore in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and dire poverty, you will serve the enemies the Lord sends against you. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until he has destroyed you.
49 The Lord will bring a nation against you from far away, from the ends of the earth, like an eagle swooping down, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a fierce-looking nation without respect for the old or pity for the young. 51 They will devour the young of your livestock and the crops of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain, new wine or olive oil, nor any calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks until you are ruined. 52 They will lay siege to all the cities throughout your land until the high fortified walls in which you trust fall down. They will besiege all the cities throughout the land the Lord your God is giving you.
53 Because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. 54 Even the most gentle and sensitive man among you will have no compassion on his own brother or the wife he loves or his surviving children, 55 and he will not give to one of them any of the flesh of his children that he is eating. It will be all he has left because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of all your cities. 56 The most gentle and sensitive woman among you—so sensitive and gentle that she would not venture to touch the ground with the sole of her foot—will begrudge the husband she loves and her own son or daughter 57 the afterbirth from her womb and the children she bears. For in her dire need she intends to eat them secretly because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege of your cities.
58 If you do not carefully follow all the words of this law, which are written in this book, and do not revere this glorious and awesome name—the Lord your God— 59 the Lord will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants, harsh and prolonged disasters, and severe and lingering illnesses. 60 He will bring on you all the diseases of Egypt that you dreaded, and they will cling to you. 61 The Lord will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this Book of the Law, until you are destroyed. 62 You who were as numerous as the stars in the sky will be left but few in number, because you did not obey the Lord your God. 63 Just as it pleased the Lord to make you prosper and increase in number, so it will please him to ruin and destroy you. You will be uprooted from the land you are entering to possess.
64 Then the Lord will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your ancestors have known. 65 Among those nations you will find no repose, no resting place for the sole of your foot. There the Lord will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing, and a despairing heart. 66 You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life. 67 In the morning you will say, “If only it were evening!” and in the evening, “If only it were morning!”—because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see. 68 The Lord will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.
I am frankly a bit confused as to what, what really, makes people insane. I would say, at first blush, that if you identify with that portion of Deuteronomy and if you conceive of a God that makes such mad promises, absolutely incredible curses, that you are right there getting involved in madness and what will make you insane.Antisemitism is its own strange thing. It makes people insane.