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Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:20 amSure sounds like you need a way of deciding whether something works or doesn't.

I gotta ton of them.

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:33 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:20 amSure sounds like you need a way of deciding whether something works or doesn't.

I gotta ton of them.

And they never result in category errors? e.g mistaking the non-working for the working; or the working for the non-working?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:34 amThen you will never know the truth. Would you say that about yourself?

Yep.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:34 amActually the basic three categories are "belief", "truth as correspondence" and "truth as coherence", with their own sub divisions.
They are VERY useful, very particularly useful. And help us unpack unwarranted truths.

Truth and belief are completely different, without any necessary connection, in my book. The problem with any correspondence theory of truth remains that all theories are underdetermined. As for coherence being any guide, as the old saying goes, the difference between truth and fiction, is that fiction has to make sense. Not strictly true, but I'm sure you get the gist.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:34 amAnd they never result in category errors? e.g mistaking the non-working for the working; or the working for the non-working?

I'll change them if I need to.

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:49 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:34 amAnd they never result in category errors? e.g mistaking the non-working for the working; or the working for the non-working?

I'll change them if I need to.

When do you need to and when don't you need to?

It's like you keep making these decisions...but you refuse to tell us how.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:54 am

Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:49 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:34 amAnd they never result in category errors? e.g mistaking the non-working for the working; or the working for the non-working?

I'll change them if I need to.

When do you need to and when don't you need to?

It's like you keep making these decisions...but you refuse to tell us how.

Skeppy, you seem to think definitions of words can be changed to suit whatever your deem necessary...for whatever reason you require.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:41 pm Skeppy, you seem to think definitions of words can be changed to suit whatever your deem necessary...for whatever reason you require.

That's true.

And?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:45 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:41 pm Skeppy, you seem to think definitions of words can be changed to suit whatever your deem necessary...for whatever reason you require.

That's true.

And?

..it renders words pointless, redundant bollocks. (apart from your POV)

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:46 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:45 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:41 pm Skeppy, you seem to think definitions of words can be changed to suit whatever your deem necessary...for whatever reason you require.

That's true.

And?

..it renders words pointless, redundant bollocks.

No it doesn't. You just don't understand what the point of the game is in a social context.

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”

Or as it's called in the game of distributed consensus:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_election

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:48 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:46 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:45 pm
That's true.

And?

..it renders words pointless, redundant bollocks.

No it doesn't. You just don't understand what the point of the game is.

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”

Or as it's called in the game of distributed consensus:

Yep, and you think you have the right to assign properties\attributes\definitions to words which are not agreed upon by the majority, rendering you a fucking idiot (within our populous)

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:50 pm Yep, and you think you have the right to assign properties\attributes\definitions to words which are not agreed upon by the majority, rendering you a fucking idiot.

I do have the right. My right to free speech is not in question.

Now we working on you agreeing with me...

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:51 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:50 pm Yep, and you think you have the right to assign properties\attributes\definitions to words which are not agreed upon by the majority, rendering you a fucking idiot.

I do have the right. The right to free speech. That's a given.

Now we working on you agreeing with me...

I agree with you talking whatever shit you want, AND i don't care that everyone in the populous will think you an idiot.

There is no point agreeing with an idiot.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:53 pm I agree with you talking whatever shit you want, AND i don't care that everyone in the populous will think you an idiot.

There is no point agreeing with an idiot.

Well, you are an idiot and I agree with you. Even if there's no point to it.

You absolutely have the right to think that I am an idiot.

That falls under your right to freedom of thought.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:55 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:53 pm I agree with you talking whatever shit you want, AND i don't care that everyone in the populous will think you an idiot.

There is no point agreeing with an idiot.

Well, you are an idiot and I agree with you.

..apparenty I am such an idiot that I dreamed a day at work with unusual usernames, and that is textbook psychosis.

Which idiot do you agree with now, someone that read a book about psychosis, or someone that had an account of a strange day at work?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:54 amWhen do you need to and when don't you need to?

It's like you keep making these decisions...but you refuse to tell us how.

If a theory doesn't work, I will modify it, or change it for a different theory. I can only give you the information, I can't give you the wit to understand it.