Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:29 pm
Unlike non-socialist states, EVERY socialist state has murdered people!
Oh. So the argument is: other states (monarchies and emperorships, democracies and republics) have killed people, therefore it has to be excused when all the Socialist states do it?
Really, Gary? Do you even bother to add that the Socialist states have done more of it than all other historical regimes? Does that help your case?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:22 pm
Lace's argument: "I don't know anything about real Christian theology, so I made something up. And now I tell you they believe what I made up.
I seem to think there is someone here who persistently does that exact thing with atheists.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:22 pm
Lace's argument: "I don't know anything about real Christian theology, so I made something up. And now I tell you they believe what I made up.
I seem to think there is someone here who persistently does that exact thing with atheists.
Me? I let them speak for themselves, then take them at their word, and show them where their position takes them. That's all.
If some don't want to go there shows more about their inconsistency and irrationality than anything. Nietzsche knew that much.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:08 am
The phrase, "before they were fit company for the faithful ones." particularly resonates with me.
I wonder, must the rest of us become Christians in order to be "fit company" for faithful Christians, or must we become Christians to please God? I would think the latter would be the case if Jesus truly is the 'only true' path to God.
My impression is that the purpose of this kind of Christian view is to convince themselves of an imperative significance between their supposed righteousness in contrast to a supposed 'unclean' nature of the 'unfaithful'.
Lace's argument: "I don't know anything about real Christian theology, so I made something up. And now I tell you they believe what I made up. Damn them for believing it!"
Your usual distortion of what's said and the context in which it is said. There are absolutely Christian views like that.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:52 pm
There are absolutely Christian views like that.
Nope. If you read the Bible, you'd know.
I could easily prove that to you, but I think you can find out for yourself, and I'd really rather you did. You won't believe me anyway, no matter what I show you; and you're not exactly a winsome conversational partner. So I'll spare myself that effort, and leave it to you to do your research.
Or just keep prattling and spitting. It's what you do.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:48 pm
My impression is that the purpose of this kind of Christian view is to convince themselves of an imperative significance between their supposed righteousness in contrast to a supposed 'unclean' nature of the 'unfaithful'.
Lace's argument: "I don't know anything about real Christian theology, so I made something up. And now I tell you they believe what I made up. Damn them for believing it!"
Your usual distortion of what's said and the context in which it is said. There are absolutely Christian views like that.
It's useless, Lace. We're going to have to come clean.
@ IC: OK IC, it's true, Lace and I have been conspiring to overthrow the world. I get my orders from the WEF. But Lace is just a stupid bimbo I found who will do anything I say. If you're going to hold someone accountable then hold me accountable. I'll take the wrap. Just let Lace go!
I used to think mass murder was fun. What can I say? As long as it wasn't me who was being murdered, I thought it was OK!!!!! What have I done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????????
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:22 pm
Lace's argument: "I don't know anything about real Christian theology, so I made something up. And now I tell you they believe what I made up.
I seem to think there is someone here who persistently does that exact thing with atheists.
Me? I let them speak for themselves.
Well, as an atheist myself, I have nothing I want to say on the matter.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:00 pm
It's useless, Lace. We're going to have to come clean.
The only way to come clean is to admit that religion is a farce. It may be a useful or unavoidable farce for various reasons, but it's not what it is presented to be.
So, you go ahead, Gary... I'm doing just fine without it.
I.C. has done an extraordinary job of demonstrating the self-serving dishonest nonsense of theism. Maybe you can think up an appropriate award for him... he would surely like that.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:00 pm
It's useless, Lace. We're going to have to come clean.
The only way to come clean is to admit that religion is a farce. It may be a useful or unavoidable farce for various reasons, but it's not what it is presented to be.
So, you go ahead, Gary... I'm doing just fine without it.
I.C. has done an extraordinary job of demonstrating the self-serving dishonest nonsense of theism. Maybe you can think up an appropriate award for him... he would surely like that.
Yes, mam. Sorry for the "bimbo" comment. Can we still be friends?
@IC: On behalf of myself, Gary Childress, I hereby officially present Immanuel Can with the Heaven Award. Please take it. Please, please take it. It's about 3 blocks away from here, far, far away. You'll like it. Please just go to heaven.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:49 pm
Me? I let them speak for themselves.
Well, as an atheist myself, I have nothing I want to say on the matter.
Would that all Atheists were so wise as to remain silent on matters of which they know not.
I think it's more an issue of not needing to defend a bunch of made-up nonsense such as theism contains. Naturally you can claim to 'know' all the things you make-up.
Whereas...
"Widespread non-belief and the lack of compelling evidence show that a God who seeks belief in humans does not exist. Broad considerations from science that support naturalism, or the view that all and only physical entities and causes exist, have also led many to the atheism conclusion."
Of course.
