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Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:22 pm We were talking about an objective argument which proves that genocide is bad.

Arguments don't prove anything.

That's philosophical dogma.

A right action is whatever i say it is because i'm the best philosopher and therefore best capable to make that decision.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:22 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:26 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:10 pm
I asked what was wrong with genocide.

Do you like to be a victim of genocide?

It does not matter what my personal opinion is.

I asked whether you like it or not. I didn't ask your opinion.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:22 pm And it could be that the genocide would protect my kind against others.

What gives you the preference to put yourself above others? Anybody looks like you if s/he is in your place.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:22 pm We were talking about an objective argument which proves that genocide is bad.

Everything is situational. What you need is not an argument but a true moral principle that helps you to see and derive whether a good (what you like) or evil (what you dislike) act is right or wrong in a situation.

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:00 pm
I asked whether you like it or not. I didn't ask your opinion.

Dumbest comment of the week!!

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:25 pm Arguments don't prove anything.

That's philosophical dogma.

Second most dumb comment of the Week!!
We are haing fun tonight!!

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:30 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:00 pm
I asked whether you like it or not. I didn't ask your opinion.

Dumbest comment of the week!!

Do you know the difference between feeling and thinking?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:31 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:25 pm Arguments don't prove anything.

That's philosophical dogma.

Second most dumb comment of the Week!!
We are haing fun tonight!!

Do you have an argument to prove the dumbness of my comment?

I'll even let you off the hook with a subjective one.

I bet you don't!

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:14 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:19 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:59 pm
I asked a question. You obviously do not know the answer.
What do you think is wrong with genocide?
Don't you know?

What is wrong with genocide?
To even ask such a question is
You are definitely not a human being.

Humans are very good at asking questions.
Most are good at answering them.
I'll ask you again.
What do YOU think is wrong with genocide?

From the legal perspective,
Genocide is wrong because it is a contemptible crime in all sovereign nations and The International Criminal Court
https://www.icc-cpi.int/
The ICC is objective and regardless of whatever opinion one or a group has, whichever group commit genocide [as defined] they are punished.

From the moral perspective,
ALL humans are obligated to align with the moral standard,
'no human ought to kill humans'
therefore genocide is not in alignment with the above moral standard.
The above moral standard is an objective moral fact verified and justified empirically and philosophically within a credible moral FSK.

The other point is empathy function is inherent is all normal human beings.
Genocide is a contradiction to empathy.
Thus if you do not condemn genocide, you are not a normal human being.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:36 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:31 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:25 pm Arguments don't prove anything.

That's philosophical dogma.

Second most dumb comment of the Week!!
We are haing fun tonight!!

Do you have an argument to prove the dumbness of my comment?

I'll even let you off the hook with a subjective one.

I bet you don't!

Answer the question or fuck off.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:27 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:14 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:19 am
What is wrong with genocide?
To even ask such a question is
You are definitely not a human being.

Humans are very good at asking questions.
Most are good at answering them.
I'll ask you again.
What do YOU think is wrong with genocide?

From the legal perspective,

Laws are culturally subjective.
That is why genocide has been carried out in so many countries despite laws.
Worse still, there have been many countries who have enacted laws with the specific purpose to commit genocide.
Even the USA.

Genocide is wrong because it is a contemptible crime in all sovereign nations and The International Criminal Court
https://www.icc-cpi.int/
The ICC is objective and regardless of whatever opinion one or a group has, whichever group commit genocide [as defined] they are punished.

How naive of you.

From the moral perspective,
ALL humans are obligated to align with the moral standard,

Opinon

'no human ought to kill humans'

Opinon

therefore genocide is not in alignment with the above moral standard.
The above moral standard is an objective moral fact verified and justified empirically and philosophically within a credible moral FSK.

Opinon

The other point is empathy function is inherent is all normal human beings.
Genocide is a contradiction to empathy.

But empathy to protect your own race can be stronger.

Thus if you do not condemn genocide, you are not a normal human being.

opinion.

WHere is the objective rigour??
No where.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:11 pm Answer the question or fuck off.

What sort of answer do you expect to your retarded question, moron?

Why is genocide wrong? Do you have any idea what you are even asking?

Why is this red?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:14 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:27 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:14 pm

Humans are very good at asking questions.
Most are good at answering them.
I'll ask you again.
What do YOU think is wrong with genocide?

From the legal perspective,

Laws are culturally subjective.
That is why genocide has been carried out in so many countries despite laws.
Worse still, there have been many countries who have enacted laws with the specific purpose to commit genocide.
Even the USA.

You ask about 'wrongness' so I am giving you the literal answer.
But what is legal is not morality-proper.

Genocide is wrong because it is a contemptible crime in all sovereign nations and The International Criminal Court
https://www.icc-cpi.int/
The ICC is objective and regardless of whatever opinion one or a group has, whichever group commit genocide [as defined] they are punished.

How naive of you.

You are the ignorant one.
The ICC is objective within its defined framework and system.

From the moral perspective,
ALL humans are obligated to align with the moral standard,
'no human ought to kill humans'
therefore genocide is not in alignment with the above moral standard.
The above moral standard is an objective moral fact verified and justified empirically and philosophically within a credible moral FSK.

Opinion

Are you insisting scientific facts are opinions?
What are verified and justified moral facts are similar to verified and justified scientific facts within the scientific FSK.

The other point is empathy function is inherent is all normal human beings.
Genocide is a contradiction to empathy.

But empathy to protect your own race can be stronger.

That is where you are ignorant.
The drive to protect one's own race is tribalism [us versus them], not based on empathy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism
In any tribalistic driven genocide the propensity for empathy is suppressed.

Empathy is generic and is related to the individual human being regardless of race.
Genocide is a contradiction to empathy.
Thus if you do not condemn genocide, you are not a normal individual human being.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:32 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:14 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:27 am
From the legal perspective,

Laws are culturally subjective.
That is why genocide has been carried out in so many countries despite laws.
Worse still, there have been many countries who have enacted laws with the specific purpose to commit genocide.
Even the USA.

You ask about 'wrongness' so I am giving you the literal answer.
But what is legal is not morality-proper.

FALSE
Most people can think of laws that are immoral, or amoral. Why can't you?

Genocide is wrong because it is a contemptible crime in all sovereign nations and The International Criminal Court
https://www.icc-cpi.int/
The ICC is objective and regardless of whatever opinion one or a group has, whichever group commit genocide [as defined] they are punished.

How naive of you.

You are the ignorant one.
The ICC is objective within its defined framework and system.

From the moral perspective,
ALL humans are obligated to align with the moral standard,
'no human ought to kill humans'
therefore genocide is not in alignment with the above moral standard.
The above moral standard is an objective moral fact verified and justified empirically and philosophically within a credible moral FSK.

Opinion

Are you insisting scientific facts are opinions?
What are verified and justified moral facts are similar to verified and justified scientific facts within the scientific FSK.

The other point is empathy function is inherent is all normal human beings.
Genocide is a contradiction to empathy.

But empathy to protect your own race can be stronger.

That is where you are ignorant.
The drive to protect one's own race is tribalism [us versus them], not based on empathy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism
In any tribalistic driven genocide the propensity for empathy is suppressed.

Empathy is generic and is related to the individual human being regardless of race.
Genocide is a contradiction to empathy.
Thus if you do not condemn genocide, you are not a normal individual human being.

We are talking about what is objective. Not what is obviously culturally and historically contingent.
For my way of thinking, since your morality does not include any considerations of biophilia, you are yourself completely morally bankrupt.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:33 pm For my way of thinking, since your morality does not include any considerations of biophilia, you are yourself completely morally bankrupt.

That's fucking rich from the guy questioning the wrongness of genocide.

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For my way of thinking, since your morality does not include any considerations of biophilia, you are yourself completely morally bankrupt.
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That's fucking rich from the guy questioning the wrongness of genocide.
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Questioning it doesn't equate to agreeing with it, it equates to insisting that justification always matters, even or especially with ideas that tend to be taken for granted..