henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:54 pmAnyone here who actually knows any black people...can tell you that they all know how much more likely they are to be stopped by the police and randomly searched, how much more likely it is that they will "match the description", and so on.
overall, that's not case
I agree. I have found that these kinds of anecdotal reports by Blacks fall apart when put to some scrutiny. I saw this on one of the News shows a while back. The Black person was outraged that the Police stopped them. He went on and on about how he felt like he was profiled. The moderator eventually got to ask him if the Cop gave him a reason for the stop. The guy angrily admitted that he was going 5mph over the speed limit so it turned out that it was merely a standard speeding stop. The guy then said he was mad because he was sure that the Police would not have pulled him over if he was White with such a small violation over the limit. This is the Paranoid thinking that has been instilled into the Black communities. They are simply becoming more and more unreasonable. They are truly Paranoid, seeing Racism around every corner.
Here is another example from the TV show Cops. The Cops were patting down a suspect when the camera clearly showed a small packet of drugs falling out of the suspects pants leg onto the ground. The suspect immediately started hollering that the Police had planted the drugs on him. I'm sure the suspect continued with that story all the way through the court system and through his jail term. For the rest of his life he probably contaminated peoples minds with this story.
Drivers are not routinely pulled over for going 5mph over the limit.
that depends on where you are
I've been through some local speedtraps where they'll ticket you for five over
also: it depends on the time of year: here, around the holidays, more folks get pulled over for small, normally ignored, infractions cuz we're all drunks in south la....five over could be a gateway to a sobriety test, an arrest, and a nice chuck of change for the courts, in fines
I agree. I have found that these kinds of anecdotal reports by Blacks fall apart when put to some scrutiny. I saw this on one of the News shows a while back. The Black person was outraged that the Police stopped them. He went on and on about how he felt like he was profiled. The moderator eventually got to ask him if the Cop gave him a reason for the stop. The guy angrily admitted that he was going 5mph over the speed limit so it turned out that it was merely a standard speeding stop. The guy then said he was mad because he was sure that the Police would not have pulled him over if he was White with such a small violation over the limit. This is the Paranoid thinking that has been instilled into the Black communities. They are simply becoming more and more unreasonable. They are truly Paranoid, seeing Racism around every corner.
Here is another example from the TV show Cops. The Cops were patting down a suspect when the camera clearly showed a small packet of drugs falling out of the suspects pants leg onto the ground. The suspect immediately started hollering that the Police had planted the drugs on him. I'm sure the suspect continued with that story all the way through the court system and through his jail term. For the rest of his life he probably contaminated peoples minds with this story.
Drivers are not routinely pulled over for going 5mph over the limit.
that depends on where you are
I've been through some local speedtraps where they'll ticket you for five over
also: it depends on the time of year: here, around the holidays, more folks get pulled over for small, normally ignored, infractions cuz we're all drunks in south la....five over could be a gateway to a sobriety test, an arrest, and a nice chuck of change for the courts, in fines
Drivers are not routinely pulled over for going 5mph over the limit.
that depends on where you are
I've been through some local speedtraps where they'll ticket you for five over
also: it depends on the time of year: here, around the holidays, more folks get pulled over for small, normally ignored, infractions cuz we're all drunks in south la....five over could be a gateway to a sobriety test, an arrest, and a nice chuck of change for the courts, in fines
So, you agree: not routinely.
sure...doesn't mean, however, I agree the fellow who got pulled over in steve's example got pulled over cuz he was black
I just gave two examples, two non-racial examples, of why the fellow might have been pulled over for five over
I've been through some local speedtraps where they'll ticket you for five over
also: it depends on the time of year: here, around the holidays, more folks get pulled over for small, normally ignored, infractions cuz we're all drunks in south la....five over could be a gateway to a sobriety test, an arrest, and a nice chuck of change for the courts, in fines
So, you agree: not routinely.
sure...doesn't mean, however, I agree the fellow who got pulled over in steve's example got pulled over cuz he was black
I just gave two examples, two non-racial examples, of why the fellow might have been pulled over for five over
Right, like the 70 in a 65 zone. I get it. Not routine but not without non-racial overtones.
sure...doesn't mean, however, I agree the fellow who got pulled over in steve's example got pulled over cuz he was black
I just gave two examples, two non-racial examples, of why the fellow might have been pulled over for five over
Right, like the 70 in a 65 zone. I get it. Not routine but not without non-racial overtones.
I'm white...I've been speedtrapped for five over and pulled over during' the holidays for crap that is normally overlooked...not everything is racial...in fact: most things aren't
sure...doesn't mean, however, I agree the fellow who got pulled over in steve's example got pulled over cuz he was black
I just gave two examples, two non-racial examples, of why the fellow might have been pulled over for five over
Right, like the 70 in a 65 zone. I get it. Not routine but not without non-racial overtones.
I'm white...I've been speedtrapped for five over and pulled over during' the holidays for crap that is normally overlooked...not everything is racial...in fact: most things aren't
Well, and what's the alternate thesis? That cops are deliberately looking for black drivers, and only pulling over those ones for 5 over? How sane a thesis does that seem?
Anyway, 5 over is, technically, breaking the law. The cops do have a right to pull over anybody for it. It may seem trivial to you and me, but it's not actually wrong for them to do that. We are, in fact, breaking the law.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:46 pm
Well, and what's the alternate thesis? That cops are deliberately looking for black drivers, and only pulling over those ones for 5 over? How sane a thesis does that seem?
henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:54 pmAnyone here who actually knows any black people...can tell you that they all know how much more likely they are to be stopped by the police and randomly searched, how much more likely it is that they will "match the description", and so on.
overall, that's not case
I agree. I have found that these kinds of anecdotal reports by Blacks fall apart when put to some scrutiny. I saw this on one of the News shows a while back. The Black person was outraged that the Police stopped them. He went on and on about how he felt like he was profiled. The moderator eventually got to ask him if the Cop gave him a reason for the stop. The guy angrily admitted that he was going 5mph over the speed limit so it turned out that it was merely a standard speeding stop. The guy then said he was mad because he was sure that the Police would not have pulled him over if he was White with such a small violation over the limit. This is the Paranoid thinking that has been instilled into the Black communities. They are simply becoming more and more unreasonable. They are truly Paranoid, seeing Racism around every corner.
Here is another example from the TV show Cops. The Cops were patting down a suspect when the camera clearly showed a small packet of drugs falling out of the suspects pants leg onto the ground. The suspect immediately started hollering that the Police had planted the drugs on him. I'm sure the suspect continued with that story all the way through the court system and through his jail term. For the rest of his life he probably contaminated peoples minds with this story.
Drivers are not routinely pulled over for going 5mph over the limit.
Maybe not routinely, but the fact is Drivers are pulled over for that and I have been pulled over for that. By the way I am White.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:46 pm
Well, and what's the alternate thesis?
That police are profiling black drivers and pulling them over for any minor reason they can come up with.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:46 pm
Anyway, 5 over is, technically, breaking the law. The cops do have a right to pull over anybody for it. It may seem trivial to you and me, but it's not actually wrong for them to do that. We are, in fact, breaking the law.
The ROI for exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph is so low that even a cop on forced holiday duty does not ordinarily want to invest his or her time for the meager monetary return.
commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:00 pm
The ROI for exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph is so low that even a cop on forced holiday duty does not ordinarily want to invest his or her time for the meager monetary return.
I would think that, too. 5 mph isn't worth it for anybody. And yet, it does happen, and apparently happens to folks of all shades.
But what's the "story" one tells oneself about that? That cops look for black people in order to...do what? "Extort the super-wealthy?" "Harass them for fun?" "Because cops like being accused of racism and think it's fun to jeopardize their own careers and reputations?"
Exactly what is the 'story' we're going to go with, on that?
commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:00 pm
The ROI for exceeding the speed limit by 5 mph is so low that even a cop on forced holiday duty does not ordinarily want to invest his or her time for the meager monetary return.
I would think that, too. 5 mph isn't worth it for anybody. And yet, it does happen, and apparently happens to folks of all shades.
But what's the "story" one tells oneself about that? That cops look for black people in order to...do what? "Extort the super-wealthy?" "Harass them for fun?" "Because cops like being accused of racism and think it's fun to jeopardize their own careers and reputations?"
Exactly what is the 'story' we're going to go with, on that?
Why do you suggest such ridiculous stories about motives? Is it that you are trying to sneak a straw man in, or do you just not know any better than what you say?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:52 pm
But what's the "story" one tells oneself about that? That cops look for black people in order to...do what? "Extort the super-wealthy?" "Harass them for fun?" "Because cops like being accused of racism and think it's fun to jeopardize their own careers and reputations?"
Exactly what is the 'story' we're going to go with, on that?
Why do you suggest such ridiculous stories about motives?
Well, then, give me one that's not ridiculous.
That's what I'm asking: what's the "story" that makes sense?
"Extort the super-wealthy?" "Harass them for fun?" "Because cops like being accused of racism and think it's fun to jeopardize their own careers and reputations?"