Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:44 am
This discussion has become as stupid as the men who are claiming to know women's feelings and reasons, when neither man has faced an unwanted pregnancy in their own body. You guys are full of hot air and crap, and I don't think anyone here is as impressed with your dumb opinions as you are of each other and yourselves.
Lacewing,
Your thinking about the issue of abortion is 46 years out of date. A lot of things have changed since Roe vs Wade (1973).
The the pro- "choice" lobby's idea that the question of abortion is hinged on the "right" that a pregnant woman has to control her own body. The problem with this argument is that from the moment of fertilization, a genetically unique, new, individual human being/human PERSON exists within the pregnant woman's body and that human being/person is
guaranteed the right to life under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. YOU were once a zygote, Lacewing, the only difference between you then and you now is that the functions and capabilities, like walking and speech and reasoning that were INHERENT/INNATE in the zygote have unfolded.
A pregnant woman is not merely ONE human person, she has another unique, individual human person inside her, and that small ,human being/ person has a Constitutional right to life. Violating that 14th Amendenment Constitutional right for no justifiable medical reason is called murder. And I agree with Henry that the overwhelming majority of the roughly one million abortions that are performed in the US every year are purely a matter of convenience for irresponsible/stupid women who have not taken taken proper precautions to avoid becoming pregnant whilst having sex with their partners. I would suspect as well, - shocking as it may sound - that in a substantial number of cases abortion is pretty much intentionally relied upon as a grotesque form of birth control. (In terms of moral turpitude, I agree with Kant, Nietzsche and Schopenhauer that women, generally speaking, whilst they present as the gentle, empathetic and caring sex are actually capable of far more outrageously wicked and unconscionable behaviour than men).
The number of cases where a woman becomes pregnant after being raped or through incest account for less than 1% of abortions performed in the US. Even though rape is a heinous crime, if a woman is impregnated by a rapist, does the foetuses inside her , - who is a unique human person - , different from both the mother and the rapist deserve to die? Was the rape the fault of the unborn child ?
The only justification I can see for abortion is in those RARE cases where it has been established by the supervising obstetrician/s that an unborn child has a severely disabling and distressing medical condition like, for instance,Tay Sachs disease. An infant born with Tay Sachs (which is a genetically transferred condition )is afflicted with legion profound impairments such as: deafness; progressive blindness; paralysis/loss of motor function; difficulty breathing; difficulty swallowing, progressive cognitive decline and the extensive list of symptoms goes on. Such as infant, to my mind, must be suffering dreadfully and there is no cure, or even satisfactory treatment for the condition. So, I would agree that if Tay Sachs disease is reliably diagnosed
in utero amniotic testing, then terminating the pregnancy would probably be an act of mercy. Sandhoff disease is another rare childhood genetic disorder with symptoms similar to Tay Sachs and again I think there is a sound justification for abortion where a baby is in the womb is diagnosed with this disease. . I think there is also a legitimate justification for abortion where a baby is diagnosed
in utero, - or born with - a gross birth defect like anacephaly. A baby born with anacephaly has no brain or spinal chord, they are blind, deaf , unconscious and unable to feel pain. Also I wonder about babies diagnosed
in utero, or born with conditions like
Craniopagus Parasiticus where an infant is born with the parasitic head of his/her unborn twin attached to his/her own (there is no treatment for the condition) Cyclopia is another severe birth defect where I think there is a
bone fide justification for abortion.
So, in short , my point is that, a lot of time is mis-spent in the abortion debate focussing on scenarios that are exceptional and very rare, such as women who are seeking abortions after having been impregnated by a rapist, or who have become pregnant on account of incest, or who are carrying babies that have very rare medical conditions (like Tay Sachs) or gross birth defects like (anacephaly). Moreover as Henry rightly said, the VAST majority of abortions in the US are not not performed in respect of any direct threat to the mother's life, or any serious medical or psychological impact that not terminating a pregnancy will have on a woman's life. I don't need to have been a fly on the wall tell you how an large-scale abortion provider like "Planned Parent" operates in countless thousands of cases every year. Its like this...
(1) A physically healthy, middle-class woman has become pregnant, she wants an abortion, so she goes to a "Planned Parenthood"clinic.
(2) She arrives at the clinic and schedules an abortion for the end of the week.
(3) On the day of the procedure, the abortionist examines her and finds that she is physically healthy, so he asks her: "Is there any pyschological reason you need this abortion?"
(4) The woman says, "Oh yes, if I don't have it I'm sure I'll get, you know, depression/stress/anxiety?"
(5) Abortionist: "I see; well, in that case I'm happy to perform an abortion for you. My fee is $2,000, so if you'd just like to nip on up to reception on the second floor and sort that out - we take all major credit cards, by the way - then come back, we can get started straight away.
(6) "Thank you Doctor Frankenstein, I'm so relieved."
(7) "You're very welcome - and don't forget to pick-up your special discount voucher from the girls at reception, it gives you 15% off the cost of your next abortion at "Planned Parenthood" if you need one within the next 6 months.
On a brighter note, Roe vs Wade (73) is destined for the ash heap of legal precedent history in the America. The US Supreme Court are going to have to test it in the near future and we (the GOOD guys) have got a 5 to 4 majority of Conservative Justices on the SCOTUS benches. The mayor of New York - that murderous slime bag, Cuomo- and the infanticidal Governor of Virginia have got a rude shock coming. Why have all of America's Democrats turned into such immoral low-life ?
Regards
Dachshund
