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Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:57 am More lies.

All you do is lie

We're all liars lying down.

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Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:00 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:57 am More lies. Sometimes it shows immediately, sometimes you can edit several times without a transcript.

All you do is lie anymore, is the situation really that bad for you, little NPD?

No, it's not at all bad. We are simply here to determine who the liar is.

So far all evidence points at you.

A comment can be edited inifitely many times without edit history. UNTIL IT IS RESPONDED TO.
And then the edit history shows - indicating that the comment was edited AFTER another post was made.

So, yes. I am calling you a filthy lying piece of shit.

It's already an established fact on this forum that you are a filthy lying shit. So good luck with that.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:02 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:57 am More lies.

All you do is lie

We're all liars lying down.

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DAM has spoken

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:57 am ANd you edited this one as well. Well I don't read all your comments twice.

So you are admitting to reading things only once?

That's a great way to jump to conclusions and insure misunderstanding.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:02 pm It's already an established fact on this forum that you are a filthy lying shit. So good luck with that.

It takes one to beat one.

The only difference is my intentions are stated.

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:04 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:02 pm It's already an established fact on this forum that you are a filthy lying shit. So good luck with that.

It takes one to beat one.

The only difference is my intentions are stated.

So you admit being a filthy lying shit. That's good

I'm not one though, even though you try to project

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:00 pm
So, yes. I am calling you a filthy lying piece of shit.

Logik dare you even tear yourself away from the lies for one little minute and get into what's actually some truths?

I'm waiting for you to reply to my posts to you.





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Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:05 pm So you admit being a filthy lying shit.

I admitted to beating you at your game. If you tink that's an admission of guilt does that mean you were playing the "lying" game?

Irony is abound.

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:07 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:05 pm So you admit being a filthy lying shit.

I admitted to beating you at your game. If you tink that's an admission of guilt does that mean you were playing the "lying" game?

Irony is abound.

Do you not want to talk truths then?...or would you rather just wallow in the lies..ok, then just carry on pretending you know what you are talking about about self driving cars having consciousness.





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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:21 am

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:05 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:03 am A self driving cars are programmed to self drive...that does not prove the car has consciousness.

It doesn't disprove that it doesn't have consciousness either.

What measurement would settle the matter for you?

Have you ever tried measuring the programmer?

Listen. You are so far off the mark I have no interest to play your stupid game.

If I ask you this question: Are both these things the same color?

Either you can see/measure/determine a color difference between the two things or you can't.

The answer to "Are these two things the same color?" is either yes or no.
But observe that if I ask you this question: Is the color of both of these things luremfutch.

Observe that you can't answer this question. Because even though both things are the same color. You don't know what color "luremfutch" is.
You have no point of reference.

And so the question is simply: what is your point of reference for "consciousness".

Are you saying that humans are conscious? If you say "yes". Then everything collapses down to the Turing test.

Either you can see/measure/determine a difference in "consciousness" between a human and a machine or you can't.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:14 pm Do you not want to talk truths then?...or would you rather just wallow in the lies..ok, then just carry on pretending you know what you are talking about about self driving cars having consciousness.

Forget self-driving cars.

Do humans have consciousness? I'll expedite the line of reasoning and say "yes".

If (when?) we invent a machine such that you can't tell which is the "machine" and which is the "human" would you THEN say the machine has "consciousness"?

Your ability to assert "consciousness" stops at your ability to test for it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:36 am

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:26 pm
i can't make sense of this sentence


i can't make sense of this sentence


i can't make sense of this sentence


By belief you mean 100% certain belief, so stop insulting me

but yes, i've never seen the True Self speak, nor has anyone else ever seen it speak as far as i know

Just maybe partly the reason WHY "you" BELIEVE that what 'I' say is "crap" is because "you" can NOT make sense of what 'I' say? If "you" do NOT yet understand some thing, then OBVIOUSLY it would appear to be "crap" to "you".

i understand your main shtick well enough, you are the one who lacks the ability to think straight

Are you SURE that you "understand" my "main shtick" well enough, to make a judgement call about it? Could "you" be mistaking my "main shtick" at all from what it really IS? I have, after all, NOT exposed it YET. So, really "you" have NO way of knowing what it is YET. So, to BELIEVE that it is I who lacks any thing we will have to wait and see what the Truth IS.

IF "you" BELIEVE that I am the one who lacks the ability to think straight, then that is fine with Me. (More data in regards to how the brain actually blocks the Truth from being seen and recognized.)

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 ameverything the i does is actually done by the "True Self", but that doesn't mean that the "True Self" is a giant entity with a voice that truly "does" things, the "True Self" is not an entity, not a being, but you believe it is, that's why you are insane and lack understanding

Did "you" forget; I do NOT believe any thing, (except for the one thing), which that one thing is NOT what you are saying here. Therefore, I do NOT believe what "you" are saying I believe.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 amyou think the "True Self" is literally speaking through you but that's a psychiatric condition, not awakening

Yes, i think the True Self is, literally, speaking through you, which "you" BELIEVE is absolutely impossible, but how are "you" going to prove that this is a "psychiatric condition", and not an "awakening", as "you" call "it"?

Logik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:07 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:05 pm So you admit being a filthy lying shit.

I admitted to beating you at your game. If you tink that's an admission of guilt does that mean you were playing the "lying" game?

Irony is abound.

I wasn't playing the lying game, but to a pathological liar NPD like you I don't have to be 100% truthful either, that would be insane.

What was one of the first things I told you? That I'm researching your form of insanity, which mostly looks like an NPD-Aspie convergence, which is pretty rare and remarkably fucked up. Maybe it has something to do with European-South African interbreeding as well if I recall and in case that one wasn't a lie, I don't know.

But then again I don't take the whole thing seriously, which I also told you. I'm not trying to win or anything.

What else do you want Your problem that you didn't listen. You are here to win, but are only beating yourself.

Oh can I call you FLS from now on?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:16 pmAre you SURE that you "understand" my "main shtick" well enough...

yes "i" think "i" understand it well enough. And i've seen it before many times.
whatever extra twists there are to it, it doesn't change much, same type

Did "you" forget; I do NOT believe any thing, (except for the one thing), which that one thing is NOT what you are saying here. Therefore, I do NOT believe what "you" are saying I believe.

did the "True Self" say this? i'm always talking to the human.

Yes, i think the True Self is, literally, speaking through you, which "you" BELIEVE is absolutely impossible, but how are "you" going to prove that this is a "psychiatric condition", and not an "awakening", as "you" call "it"?

well there we have it..
you have to prove it that it's real, and not a psychiatric condition like for example schizophrenia, where people can hear voices in their head or think that the "voice" of their intuition is coming from God, etc.

also, it's fairly well understood that "awakening" doesn't produce this effect that you claim

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:21 pm I wasn't playing the lying game, but to a pathological liar NPD like you I don't have to be 100% truthful either, that would be insane.

What was one of the first things I told you? That I'm researching your form of insanity, which mostly looks like an NPD-Aspie convergence, which is pretty rare and remarkably fucked up. Maybe it has something to do with European-South African interbreeding

But you said you weren't playing the "internet mental diagnosis" game either. Now you are claiming that I am an NPD-Aspie ?!?

Did you lie about that too?

So in your capacity as an internet armchair psycholoy proffessional who has concluded that I am an "NPD-Aspie" the question still stands: What would convince you that you are wrong? What is your black swan?

Philosophy: Play stupid games - win stupid prizes.