Race versus culture

[Arising_uk]

Hard to believe. ...

Oh come now, apparently you're an acquaintance of the goaturder and he and his Blow Thyself flock are all over things Hellenistic.

I've only ever met one other person who has a hobby, as opposed to academic, interest in the Seleucids. He is a Filipino. Just as some White people are crazy for Japanese culture, in this case, this Filipino fellow is in love with the Greek East.

Well I agree there may not be many specialising in the Seleucids.

[Londoner]

I read the article because I'm an open minded kind of person who likes to get the whole picture. But I don't see anything supporting your bogus claim that Blacks are more genetically diverse than Whites?

Your earlier idea was that 'race is supported by haplogroup genetics'. You were going on about it on page 15 and earlier, although you may have conveniently forgotten that.

If we based 'race' on haplogroups, then we would find are several 'races' in Africa. We would also find that every other 'race' is a variation of just one of those African 'races'.

Since the variation that distinguishes a haplogroup is trivial, as is the genetic difference between all humans, including Africans, I agree that the claim that this means there are 'races' is bogus, but it is your claim.

[Seleucus]

I doubt this has anything to do with being black per se, more to do with being a black American. As black students in the rest of the world seem to be much of a much with any student.

It has to do with being cut off from the developments in Eurasia, like the wheel and writing for 50,000 years give or take. There is therefore a "different" set (AKA lack) of the cognitive structures required to function in organized civilizations. Students in Kenya are not keeping up with Eurasians. Since news pieces apparently pass for articles in this discussion, here's one of a gazillion,

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/nov ... n.research

That's not to say Blacks are bad people, they simply got acquainted with the whip about five-thousand years later than most of the rest of us did. So discipline is not a forte of African cultures, neither at stop lights, nor in classrooms, as GreatandWiseTrixie put it, "in·cor·ri·gi·ble".

Hard to believe. ...

Oh come now, apparently you're an acquaintance of the goaturder and he and his Blow Thyself flock are all over things Hellenistic.

No, they're in love with Archaic Greece and Barbarism actually.

[Seleucus]

Your earlier idea was that 'race is supported by haplogroup genetics'. You were going on about it on page 15 and earlier, although you may have conveniently forgotten that.

Europeans are basically a mix of three peoples: the Western hunter gatherers, who were probably set down in the initial dispersal around 45,000 years ago. After that came a wave of Neolithic agriculturalists from the Levant towards 10,000 years ago. And finally came the Indo-Europeans from south Ukraine about 6000 years ago. (We can add to this a fourth group in fact, the Neanderthals). All of this is well supported by research, for instance,

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9707625105

Note the conclusion: "Our results confirm and substantially extend the phylogenetic relationships among mitochondrial genomes described elsewhere from the major human ethnic groups."

Are the Sami White? Are Jews White? What about Somalians? It depends on perspective and politics. Meanwhile, it would be a bit far fetched if a pure blooded Red Indian or an indigenous Congolese called him or herself White. White is not a closed genetic set, it is what Wittgenstein called "family resemblance":

"things which could be thought to be connected by one essential common feature may in fact be connected by a series of overlapping similarities, where no one feature is common to all of the things."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_resemblance

We can then say the same philosophical thing in science jargon like this:

"[While] the European mitochondrial DNA pool has been found to be rather homogeneous ... genomically, humans seem to form what might be called fuzzy clusters, rather than discrete groups with sharp boundaries" (Lao et al. 2008).

www.cell.com/current-biology/retrieve/p ... 2208009561

[Seleucus]

Apparently some are willing to call a man who wears a dress and has been through surgery and takes hormones a woman, so presumably a Korean who has had eye and nose surgery, has learned to speak English, and wears colored contact lenses and dyed blonde hair is now White? There are even cases like Rachel Dolezal who is simply a White American woman but who none-the-less "identifies" as a Black. Obviously the boundaries of race are quite subjective when we look at it not from the haplogroup level but from the level of cultural construct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

I want to state I have no problems with blacks as individuals. I have several black friends.

With these friends we laugh at the black race and talk about how stupid the black race is. Like I said earlier I have no problem hiring a black genius. But I don't want to live in a predominantly black town or all black school.

And I noticed that blacks generally have bad customer service and suck at walmart and taco bell jobs.

I would say 95% of blacks are low quality people, but 5% of blacks are good quality people. Therefore I am not a racist, because I judge people based on themselves as individuals, I don't have any bias against anyone and I don't discriminate unfairly. Like I said, I will befriend a black genius.


I just recently watched a show called "The Mayor" because I am open minded. In the show it is a reversal of reality, the black mayor acts like a white and the town acts like stereotypical blacks. I stopped watching because it was generally boring.

What is the mysterious force oppressing the blacks, if blacks live and breed amongst themselves? If black students suck at school, who is to blame? Their own parents. Their own black parents. Not a mysterious white conspiracy. Rap music was invented by blacks, Whites don't force them to listen to that crap.

That's not to say I am a white sympathizer, I have no sympathy for the whites, and I have a battle to rage against the whites. But I want people to simply say it like it is. That blacks are primitive africans.

[OuterLimits]

One must remember that in the US, there is the southern culture of honor. South was known to be more violent than the North. Whites who move out of the south can just easily blend in with the less violent white culture wherever they end up, but blacks have a harder time.

[Seleucus]

What is the mysterious force oppressing the blacks, if blacks live and breed amongst themselves? If black students suck at school, who is to blame? Their own parents. Their own black parents. Not a mysterious white conspiracy. Rap music was invented by blacks, Whites don't force them to listen to that crap.

I suspect it isn't that mysterious. Black Africans were cut off from Eurasia by the Sahara Desert for about 50,000 years and therefore culturally developed differently (AKA fell behind). Once this culturally "different" population was set free in America, after the further cultural decimation of generations in slavery, a depressive "culture of poverty" formed in reaction to being faced with the world's most advanced culture and one which is very status oriented to boot.

http://www.ignaciodarnaude.com/textos_d ... overty.pdf

[Seleucus]

One must remember that in the US, there is the southern culture of honor. South was known to be more violent than the North. Whites who move out of the south can just easily blend in with the less violent white culture wherever they end up, but blacks have a harder time.

Let's not kid ourselves, White is a great race to be, but Whites are very arrogant and aggressive.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

One must remember that in the US, there is the southern culture of honor. South was known to be more violent than the North. Whites who move out of the south can just easily blend in with the less violent white culture wherever they end up, but blacks have a harder time.

Let's not kid ourselves, White is a great race to be, but Whites are very arrogant and aggressive.

Right this is true. This is why I hesitate to say that the White race should be the master race, or even the Japanese (Japan is sexually repressed and socially disfunctional). I believe the ultimate race should be made through genetic experimentation. However what I can't stand is when liberals pretend that blacks are intellectually equals to the Whites. I never said Whites are perfect, I admit they have flaws. Yet I am supposed to pretend blacks are perfect and have no flaws, its insulting and it's such a double standard.

[OuterLimits]

Right this is true. This is why I hesitate to say that the White race should be the master race, or even the Japanese (Japan is sexually repressed and socially disfunctional). I believe the ultimate race should be made through genetic experimentation. However what I can't stand is when liberals pretend that blacks are intellectually equals to the Whites. I never said Whites are perfect, I admit they have flaws. Yet I am supposed to pretend blacks are perfect and have no flaws, its insulting and it's such a double standard.

It seems that the smartest whites are generally dedicated to helping everyone reach their highest potential, and the dumbest whites are often the ones the most attracted to promoting racial differences and keeping other groups down. These are averages we're talking about, remember. Probably what will happen as genetic technology marches on is that people all over the world will have genomes tampered with, becoming healthier, stronger and smarter. The pursuit of novelty will have white, black, blue, people with fins, all becoming more perfect together and the slapdash evolutionary situation we're in now will matter less.

[davidm]

One must remember that in the US, there is the southern culture of honor. South was known to be more violent than the North. Whites who move out of the south can just easily blend in with the less violent white culture wherever they end up, but blacks have a harder time.

Let's not kid ourselves, White is a great race to be, but Whites are very arrogant and aggressive.

Right this is true. This is why I hesitate to say that the White race should be the master race, or even the Japanese (Japan is sexually repressed and socially disfunctional). I believe the ultimate race should be made through genetic experimentation. However what I can't stand is when liberals pretend that blacks are intellectually equals to the Whites. I never said Whites are perfect, I admit they have flaws. Yet I am supposed to pretend blacks are perfect and have no flaws, its insulting and it's such a double standard.

You are such a moron. One must say it plainly. If you had sufficient IQ, you would notice that what you wrote above is not only wrong, it doesn't even make any sense.

It is too bad that this forum has become a "petri dish" as someone put it for malignant racist and misogynist cultures in the age of Trump, when vermin are encouraged to crawl out from under the woodwork and spread their vile bile all over cyberspace. I think posters like this should be banned, but I don't run things of course.

[Arising_uk]

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That's not to say Blacks are bad people, they simply got acquainted with the whip about five-thousand years later than most of the rest of us did. So discipline is not a forte of African cultures, neither at stop lights, nor in classrooms, as GreatandWiseTrixie put it, "in·cor·ri·gi·ble". ...

Is that right troll. Then how do you account for white boys being the poorest performers in my country's education system?

No, they're in love with Archaic Greece and Barbarism actually.

Ah well, it's all Greek to me but you need to tell the goaturder to change his name then.

[Arising_uk]

... This seems to imply, that contra the fragmented 60s view of civilization, the traditional view of one human civilization is as good a way of looking at it.

Or more likely that engineering development and techniques depend upon geography and materials and there are only so many solutions.

[Arising_uk]

... However what I can't stand is when liberals pretend that blacks are intellectually equals to the Whites. ...

And yet in my country the poorest performers are the white boys, how do you explain this?