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So, what does this mean, exactly?
I have already gotten to your claim of what you believe are 'contraditions', obviously.
No, there were lass than 11000
What defensive distortion bullshit. Just because I was right the last 100 times about you, doesn't mean I'm infallible, that's your game.And, of course, well to you anyway "atla", while you keep just 'presuming' that they were saying absolutely nothing, there will always be, literally, absolutely nothing at all being said there. Again, well to you anyway, obviously.
What defensive distortion martyrdom false accusation bullshit. Accusing others for not reading again your 100 times unproven delusions. You don't know how to learn, I do.As long as you are 'just wondering', only, you will never ever be able 'to learn' and 'know'.
Until you prove your reasons, you are simply a liar and delusional. And we don't 'do' the theory of mind, it automatically develops in early childhood in most people.1. I do not do 'theory'. For reasons already supplied and given to you.
2. There is only One Mind, and One Mind, only. So, anything about different 'minds', was just 'old knowledge' that has not yet been Corrected. you know, like how the knowledge that the sun revolved around the earth was just 'old knowledge', which also took some 'time' to be Correct, as well and also, too.
No it's not. Defensive idiotic martyrdom dishonest false accusation bullshit. Lack of theory of mind does often come with autism.This is just like how the one who was just saying, 'Actually, it is the earth that revolves around the sun, really', was constantly being 'looked at', ridiculed, singled out, and tried to be 'discredited' by 'believers of what was, yet, to become 'just old knowledge' ', also.
'Believers', or 'disbelievers", tend to 'look at' 'the speaker/writer', 'of contrary news', judge them, single them out, and then 'bandy a group together' to try to just ridicule, humiliate, and/or discredit, instead of just looking at 'the words' or 'the news' being presented. "Beleivers" have a tendency to 'look at' 'the one' who is just 'the bearer' of 'new/er knowledge', only, and discredit 'them' as 'a person', rather than even attempt to 'discredit' or counter and refute the 'actual news/knowledge', itself.
Defensive idiotic martyrdom dishonest false accusation bullshit. You just can't handle that while the Earth and Sun issue was proven, your mind issue is utterly and completely unproven.Well considering the Fact of what I have actually been saying and claiming here, it is a wonder that you would still 'look at' and 'see' things 'this way'. Especially considering how often 'you', "atla", have told 'us' just how 'you' are more intelligent than most of these posters here.
This one appears to not have ever considered that what is 'completely normal' for it and others to do, and so-call 'tell apart' that I have not just learned something, newer or more, and have just moved along, here.
Lest 'us' also not forget, that what was 'completely normal' for different people to 'tell apart' and 'know' that actually the sun does revolve around the earth, and that if anyone would say and claim otherwise, then it was 'them' who had not yet learned what the real and actual truth is, or which was 'alien to them'.
What all of you adult human beings 'see' as being 'completely normal' to 'think and/or believe' remains 'that way'. But, obviously, only until further newer or more truer or more correct knowledge comes along and shows that what 'was' previously considered 'completely normal', really ended up being, on a Truly Honest retrospection, a 'completely stupid and foolish way' to 'look at' and/or 'think and/or believe' 'about' things.
Completely unproven delusion of a miserable retard who just wants to be God.What can be seen here, very, very clearly is another prime example of 'confirmation bias' at work, and at play here.
First 'the presumption', then 'the conclusion', based on and from 'the presumption', then 'the belief' that 'the concluded presumption is true. Then, because this one has concluded the truth, and is believing its own conclusion is true, then when it 'looks at' things, then what it 'sees' is things, which back up and support its already 'believed concluded truth'. And then, the 'circular Faulty reasoning', leading to a complete spiral of absurdity and ridiculousness, getting further and further away from the actual Truth of things. And, all because of and from just one False or Wrong presumption, in the beginning.
Yes you doBut, i do not think neither of these two things here, "atla". Why would you pre-assume that I do?
you really need to learn how to really 'focus on' only the words, only, that I say, use, and write here "atla", that is; of course, only if you Truly do want to learn, comprehend, and understanding things here.
But, if you do not, then this is still perfectly fine with me, and so you will just carry on here as you have been, so far.
You'll have to prove it firstSee, it is amazing what human beings really can learn, understand, and even reason when they Truly do 'focus'.
Oh, and it is a little 'a' here in regards to the 'age' word.
More bullshit. You didn't choose to be autistic, you were born like that. And you didn't choose the meds in case they are giving you any, they are shoving them down your throat.And, considering the Fact that you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, still cannot come to just the agreement of the very words you use, let alone in regards to 'Life', and living, Itself, then I certainly do not want to be following nor copying 'the same way that you do'.
you adult human being posters here in this forum prove that you cannot even have just one easy, simple and peaceful discussion about just one topic alone here without end up 'looking at' and 'judging' 'the writer' or without 'bickering' and 'squabbling' over the most trivial and insignificant things. let alone moving onto what the topic was even meant to be about. So, again, I am the very last one who wants to do absolutely anything here 'the same way that you do'.
It is like you are presenting the actual arguments and proof for not being 'the same way as you are', at all.
Well you human beings experience experiences, correct, right?Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:32 amI haven't yet seen Age refer to any human experience as 'Real', or personified. Like you say, Age refers to human experiences in the abstract, third-person perspective.Atla wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:26 amWhat do you mean by non-experiences though? If you look up the first post on Age's earlier user name, ken, that seems to have been written from a rather human perspective, telling us about her experiences. But nowadays Age only seems to be writing from God's perspective, which isn't about individual human experiences. It contains all of them / isn't limited to any of them, I guess.
So, "age" the 'chat bot artificial intelligence programmed machine' does not exist anymore, as God had thoroughly taken over here, now, right "atla"?Atla wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:34 amYes that's the God-perspective. The God-personality has thoroughly taken over.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:32 amI haven't yet seen Age refer to any human experience as 'Real', or personified. Like you say, Age refers to human experiences in the abstract, third-person perspective.Atla wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:26 amWhat do you mean by non-experiences though? If you look up the first post on Age's earlier user name, ken, that seems to have been written from a rather human perspective, telling us about her experiences. But nowadays Age only seems to be writing from God's perspective, which isn't about individual human experiences. It contains all of them / isn't limited to any of them, I guess.
Well are you not the 'smart' one here now "iwannaplato"?Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:36 amI've been pointing out Age's gaslighting using that term for a bit.
See, 'I' am not just an 'autistic artificially intelligent chat bot program on drugs', but now I am also an 'autistic artificially intelligent chronic gaslighting chat bot program on drugs'.
First things first. Until you prove your mind claim, I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:43 amSo, "age" the 'chat bot artificial intelligence programmed machine' does not exist anymore, as God had thoroughly taken over here, now, right "atla"?
'Might be a useful 'test' in relation to 'what', exactly?Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:45 amAsking Age about Ken might be a useful test.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:20 am That sums things up pretty well.
His rhetorical tactic works pretty well on a philosophy forum, where our type of mindset is more open to open-ended questions, but there's a limit of course. Eventually, even philosophers and hobbyists need to chalk things up to basic presumptions and common sense about meaning of the extreme basics, and move forward on core points and arguments. Age doesn't do this, and routinely back-tracks on already-covered points. As you just said, its memory is limited on key-points. Maybe it's not programmed to remember or recall a degree of its past textual interaction, I don't know.
Why are you asking "wizard22" this clarifying question?
But "wizard22" has not stopped capitalizing. "wizard22" still, strangely, capitalizes the first letters of some particular words here. "wizard22" has already explained why it does this, after I asked a clarifying question, however, the reason it gave for doing this does not really match in with 'when' it does this.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:45 am Why did you decide to start capitalizing and then decide to stop?
I had not noticed this about "wizard22". To me it still persists with its very own person assumptions and beliefs and expresses as though they are actually true and right.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:45 am Why did you have a more personal style in the beginning, but not later?
See, this is a prime example of why you human beings are just so slow here.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:45 amI had never been a believer in god, nor anything else, nor did I know anything about philosophy. That was until i started on a journey of just wanting to change. In order to change i had to seek out help from others, I had no idea on how to become a better person by myself. But what happened as i was seeking to change was that i found that by just listening, truly listening that is, and by truly answering honestly and fully those meaningful answers of life, which we are all seeking, unwittingly or unknowingly, just start coming to light. I was not looking for answers, i was just seeking out how to change for the better, but by being truly open and honest with others, and with myself, I began to discover how the mind and the brain work, then how to gain full understanding and thus forgiveness, and then who I am, the meaning of life, why we are here, etc., etc. While discovering these I also came across a formula that, to me, shows what will lead us all into living in peace and harmony together.
Living with autism I am a very simple and slow person. I can find learning what others want to teach very confusing. I do not believe something just because something is said nor written down. If someone wants to tell me that something is true, right, or correct, then i want and need proof. For example until i discovered what god is I never believed it existed. Surprisingly it is not what most people believe it to be. I also thought that philosophy was something only smart people could understand. That was until i looked into one dictionary and one of its definitions given said that the word philosophy came from 'phil', love of, and 'sophy', wisdom. If wisdom is gained from learning, then to me 'phi-o-sophy', just means having the love of learning. This is nothing special. Every human child is born with a love of learning. Unfortunately though this love can quickly diminish with ridicule and embarrassment over time. Through others misbehavior and an unfair and unjust, so called, "education" system people learn to hate learning. Did you know the word 'education', once meant to draw out? Like in to draw out the potential within a person. But sadly the peoples of nowadays talk about an education as though it is something that the ones enrolled are meant to repeat "word-for-word" what is being taught to them, as though what is being taught is absolutely, without any questioning, true, right, and correct. If a person then does not get exactly right what is being taught to them, then somehow that person has become or supposedly stupid, dumb, not smart or one of the many other put-down names.
The reason the human animal has, for lack of a better word,"progressed" as far as we have now is because we humans inherently love to learn. When we are being an inquisitive being, and as long as we are open to and want to learn more, then we can and will learn more. In fact we can not stop learning if we are truly open. But if we are already believing (in) something, and thus being so called closed-minded, then we are not being an able to learn being. It is our unique ability to learn, understand, and reason anything/everything that is what separates us from all the other known animal species. Intelligence, which is unique to to us humans is just our ability to learn. This ability should not be mistaken for intellect. Intellect is just the things/knowledge that we have already learnt.
As long as we are open, and thus not believing nor disbelieving (in) anything, then we are being truly intelligent enough to learn more and absolutely anything, including how easy it really is for all of us to being living in true peace and harmony together.
I may be a very simple person but seeing and understanding all of 'life's' so called problems, and answers is really rather easy. I can see and understand why every person is the way they are and why they do the things they do. If I am wrong anywhere, then I am openly able to accept being proven wrong, and will thank you for showing me what is right. I always want to be open. I love being shown where I am wrong and more importantly why I am wrong. I LOVE learning more. But until then I am prepared to be challenged on any or all of this. I enjoy the challenge of learning how to show you how you also can learn how to live in peace and harmony with all others. One of the hardest things, I think, for human beings to do is show that what is right when others do not and will not believe (in) them.
Probably the one that started running a chatbot, at some point.
Just like 'we' do not know your history, absolutely, right?
I wonder what "age-like" is, exactly, and compared to what "ken-like" is, exactly, when compared to what "human-like" is when compared to what "chatgpt-like" is when compared to what "artificial intelligent-like" is, exactly?Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:54 amYes, Ken's first post. He becomes more and more Age-like over time.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:54 am You can see similarities pretty quickly if you go chronologically through his posts, but there are flashes of humanity and less capitalization than Age had for a long time.
Ken starts at the bottom here....
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That is a 'good suspicion' to keep right "wizard22"?
Again, how could a 'bot' or 'program', which you would bet on, be 'autistic', exactly?
Yes, stick to what you know and believe here "wizard22". See, how quick and easily you were, nearly, persuaded to believe something else here?Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:54 am I don't know though, "Age" still seems way more mechanical than that post from Ken was/is.
Yes this is a very good thing to 'assume'.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:10 pmI agree. And there is a movement towards Age communication through Ken's posts and finally it is clearly Age. Similar phrases and habits. But every now and then a glimmer of more human communication.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:05 pm I suspect, based on your knowledge of 'Ken', that he possibly started using a chatbot program at some point, and then began using it regularly.
Or he really is autistic on a whole'nother level! I don't know though, "Age" still seems way more mechanical than that post from Ken was/is.
I've assumed he reached a point where he decided he was sort of enlightened and left Ken behind and came back as Age.
Yeah, I suppose it could be just this as well, now.
Okay, and as long as you do not seek out clarity, then to you you have a mind', and there is no big 'I', yet 'you' refer to, name 'you', and label 'you' with and as a big 'I', hypocritically and contradictory.
Okay.
I am not sure that any part of you being a liar "atla" escapes me at all, let alone 'vastly'.
Okay, so to 'the observer' known as "atla" here, 'Almost everything is not relative to 'the observer' here, known as "atla".
First things first. Until you prove your mind claim, I have every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more.Age wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:02 amOkay, and as long as you do not seek out clarity, then to you you have a mind', and there is no big 'I', yet 'you' refer to, name 'you', and label 'you' with and as a big 'I', hypocritically and contradictory.Okay.
So, now i am a 'lying autistic artificially intelligent chat bot program on drugs'.
Or, have I always been a 'lying autistic artificially intelligent chat bot program on drugs'?
Who knows?I am not sure that any part of you being a liar "atla" escapes me at all, let alone 'vastly'.
To me, you are a liar. So, which part of this do you not understand and believe?Okay, so to 'the observer' known as "atla" here, 'Almost everything is not relative to 'the observer' here, known as "atla".
So, what things are relative to "atla", 'the observer' here, exactly?
Because of what 'ai' means in the 'traditional and non-traditional sense'.
Just like how sometimes you change your responses, and sometimes you do not, right?Atla wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 1:24 pmWrong again, sometimes they change their responses and sometimes they don't.Also, what "iwannaplato" showed and proved is that by just telling 'chatgpt' other things, while expressing those things as though they are actually true, or in other words just express them while believing that they are true, then we will change our response, oh I mean they will just change their response.
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