Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:06 am
I don't know how I feel about racial purity and deeply homogeneous, segregated societies. On one hand, I believe different tribes, clans, and races deserve a segment of the Earth to call home and govern as they see fit. On the other hand, I believe political and military power dictate these rules, and so it's not really up to a particular genealogy to 'reserve' a home.
What I find curious about your statement is that you feel you need to state it, that you must frame the issue in this way. You give something with your right hand but then snatch it away with the other. So it seems to me that you end up in a no-position.
To frame the issue and encapsulate it in this way: [that the issue has to do with] "racial purity and deeply homogeneous, segregated societies" is actually to make a sociological and political statement or to indicate that you start from that position. But the position you seem to have is neither fish nor fowl.
It seems to me then that one must state and restate what is
actually happening, which is to refer to what has happened. And unless I am wrong the core issue that is playing out in the US today has directly to do with an unprecedented demographic shift which is now leading to a process of ideological revision, and revisioning, of what the US actually is. It is a strange form of national renewal which is directed from a Federal seat and which also involves an array of corporations and business entities whose interests have substantially usurped political and economic power. One must also mention the cultural institutions and the universities and that of *ideological power* and *ideological influence & control*.
Again if I understand correctly there are two camps whose ideas and values conflict. One camp states that for a nation to actually be a nation it must have a defined people, and people who have *identity* and who hold to that sense of identity, and then on the other side there are those who proclaim, and I think sincerely believe, that a nation, and our nation, is what Lincoln called a "propositional nation".
That is, you join the nation by accepting its *propositions* and through relinquishing many or perhaps all of the traditional means by which people did historically *identify* and define themselves as a people. America has been redefined as a *propositional nation* over the course of a century and longer. But it definitely was not that in its earlier manifestation. It was a nation composed of united (federated) but quite independent nation-states with specific regions where specific people lived. Those people defined themselves through their *identity* with their region, with its traditions and symbols, but always as a
specific people and I do mean that in what we would now say as 'genetically'.
So it seems to me that the very notion of 'genetic identification', and naturally in respect to the people and culture that created the nation, is being undermined. Simply put this means the undermining of what we refer to as *white identity*. Whiteness is rendered dangerously problematic. And any announcement of alignment with the former modes of identity is tantamount to defining a position they refer to as *white nationalism*.
But to actually use the term *white nationalism* is actually to say that one disagrees in one whole realm of identification: one's genetic line to use a science term. But it actually means identification with one's historical lineage, one's cultural symbols, and indeed one's civilization. The only *identity* that is allowed by
rightthink is that one I pointed out as *propositional*.
So it seems that if we are to be really truthful -- and I make this appeal even to those who are of the Left/Progressive mind-set -- we have to be honest and refer to mass revisioning, mass cultural engineering, mass education/slash/mass propaganda and PR campaigns as the defining feature of our modernity. Again this means, very literally, that the academy and its ideological operatives work in concert with massive capital interests who own the means of communication, and government with its 'revolving door', who redirect and revision a national makeover according to a new national paradigm that we might call
operative Americanism.
In this context I suggest reexamining the opinion-sets of people like Flash, Sculptor and also Veggie. [The pitiable figure Iambiguous requires his own category and I don't have time to go into it now]. Not because I desire to focus on them personally (always a dead-end mistake in these encounters) but because they make themselves operative and agents of the general transformation I refer to as
Applied Americanism. Flash, Sculptor and Veggie are best understood as (I regret the term) children. They really do not have a reasoned position, because they cannot accurately envision and understand what is actually at stake. It is actually outside of their domain of concern. Like children they simply spout opinions, emoted thoughts, which amount to recapitulations of stuff they hear and read.
In order to understand, let's say, a genuine Right-leaning, Traditional or perhaps Dissident Right position one has to embrace a structured intellectual argument. For example that of Pierre Krebs who wrote
Fighting for the Essence: Western Ethnosuicide or European Renaissance?
"...our task is to oppose the egalitarian ethos and egalitarian socio-economic thinking with a world-view based on differentiation: this means an ethic and a socio-economic theory which respects the right to be different. We want to create the system of values and attitudes necessary for gaining control of cultural power. Our strategy is dictated neither by the immediate contingencies of reality nor the superficial upheavals of political life. We are not interested in political factions but in attitudes to life... What motivates us and what we are striving for does cannot be accommodated within the activities of a political party, but - and we insist on this point - solely within the framework of a metapolitical, exclusively cultural project. A programme which sets out once again to make us conscious of our identity through awakening the memory of our future, as it were. In this way we aim to prepare the ground for what is to come... The tragedy of the contemporary world is the tragedy of disloyalty: the uprooting of every culture, estrangement from our true natures, the atomization of man, the levelling of values, the uniformity of life. A critical and exhaustive engagement with modern knowledge - from philosophy to ethology, from anthropology to sociology, from the natural sciences to history and educational theory - if carried out with the appropriate intellectual rigour and sound empirical methodology, can only contribute to throwing light on the general confusion of the world."
Flash, Sculptor and also Veggie
have no position at all. Honestly. They are
ingenues in at least some notable senses. They have not actually bothered to approach understanding of what is actually going on. I suspect it hardly matters to at least two of them: they come here for the energy they receive from setting up emoted clashes -- for example with you. These are people who are stuck in a 'moral vice' which is a mechanism that other people control. They simply cannot get out of the vice.
Here is Tomislav Sunic writing about Kreb's work:
Krebs’ book actually urges the reader to decolonise his mindset, purging from it the images and concepts that have been contaminating White European brains over the last two millennia, and which resulted in a distorted perception of objective reality and a perverse form of White identity. In a word, this book can be described as an epistemological primer for those looking not just for the reasons behind the ongoing decadence in Europe and America, but also for those interested in the root causes of that decadence. Before combating the vileness of the present system, a modern man or woman of European extraction must make an effort to critically examine the origins of the founding myths of that system. Why waste time on futile talk about the ‘dying White race’, ‘the troubles of Europe’, ‘the dictatorship of the ideology of comfort’, or the ‘immigration disaster’ if the heart of the problem is wilfully ignored? In doing so, one only cures the symptoms of the disease while failing to address its causes.
My suggestion is that it is possible to become far more informed about what *the fight*, if it is considered legitimate, is actually about. This in itself is an act of intellectual decolonization that Sunic refers to.
Here is Renaud Camus, an intellectual but (obviously) also an artist who offers his view of what is at stake.
