Black People and Crime

[tbieter]

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.................................................Well, continue your investigations, you got a lot to learn.

Thanks for the advice. I learned that the site has a search function and from that capability that Mpls/St. Paul will likely end up like Detroit. http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspo ... -paul.html

You should search for articles on Cleveland.






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[tbieter]

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.................................................Well, continue your investigations, you got a lot to learn.

Thanks for the advice. I learned that the site has a search function and from that capability that Mpls/St. Paul will likely end up like Detroit. http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspo ... -paul.html

You should search for articles on Cleveland.






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About Bill"s city, Cleveland:
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspo ... ll-of.html

[tbieter]

I'm currently reading the author's book, Escape from Detroit.

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/

"While Detroit was still 55 percent white according to the 1970 census, by 1980 whites only made up 34 percent of the population. The decline was even more stark considering that Detroit was 83 percent white at the time of the city's all-time population high in 1950. The departure of middle class whites left blacks in control of a city suffering from an inadequate tax base, too few jobs, and swollen welfare rolls.[75] According to Chafets, "Among the nation’s major cities, Detroit was at or near the top of unemployment, poverty per capita, and infant mortality throughout the 1980s."[76]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Detroit#Crime

This Wiki entry corroborates the thesis of Kersey's book that the Black majority that inherited a Detroit that was built by White people were incapable of maintaining the civilization.

See also viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11651

[tbieter]

"The stranger ran to the back door of Thomas Sonnenberg’s north Minneapolis house, screaming “Let me in! Somebody’s going to kill me!”

Sonnenberg, a 69-year-old retired technician known as a good Samaritan on his block, stepped outside, looked around and ushered the man inside, then was careful to lock the deadbolt.

At the stranger’s behest, he called 911. Moments later, Sonnenberg lay on the floor, with a bullet to the head, and the man he had sought to shelter from harm was attacking Sonnenberg’s 68-year-old wife.

Police arrived in time to interrupt the midday Friday assault in the small house in the 3700 block of Aldrich Avenue N., but they could do nothing for Sonnenberg, who died of the gunshot wound."
http://www.startribune.com/local/minnea ... 26421.html

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"Mark Andrew, a former Minneapolis, Minnesota mayoral candidate was beaten up by two teenage girls after having his cellphone stolen.

The former Hennepin County Commissioner, who had come in second to Betsy Hodges in one of the most completive mayoral races the state had ever seen, had just hung up the phone when a young man came up and swiped his iPhone 4S from the table.

Told Mark Andrew: ‘I was targeted because the phone was out and I’m 63 years old, and I’m sure they thought that I was easy pickins.’

From there, the former mayoral candidate gave chase only to find himself being stopped by two teenage girls.

The women, one of them armed with a billy club, didn’t let Andrew get away and mercilessly beat him over the head until he started bleeding profusely."
http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2013/12 ... age-girls/

In these two recent cases (the first occurring a day ago), elderly white males are the victims of young black males and females.

In my opinion, elderly white males in this community should carry a weapon. And they should be wary and alert, and ready to exercise self-defense, whenever young black people are nearby.

[Arising_uk]

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In my opinion, elderly white males in this community should carry a weapon. And they should be wary and alert, and ready to exercise self-defense, whenever young black people are nearby. [/color]

Are you saying there are no poor white areas where one gets mugged?

imo old people in poor areas should be more wary and alert and not be so stupid as to display items that probably cost a week or more in wages. Would you walk through the slums of Russia(no blacks) with an iPhone on display?

[artisticsolution]

Are you saying there are no poor white areas where one gets mugged?

Actually Arising, In America, there are alot of "poor white areas" but most of the poor white areas are very Christian and it would be frowned upon, socially speaking, to mug someone. They are kind of proud of their poorness in a way...think Dolly Parton or basically and country western made-it-big-from-humble-beginnings.

In these areas, the people are still looking to live the 'little house on the prairie' life...a mugger would find himself on the bad side of the law. Think Texas and no mercy.

They don't call it the bible belt for nothing.

[Arising_uk]

Are you saying that in poor black areas the law is not enforced?

Are you saying that there are no poor black christian areas?

That Texas has no black people and there are no murderers?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder- ... tate#MRord
Tennessee appears to be pretty bad,
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/bus ... s/2925679/
And appears to be majority white.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/47000.html
Although Alaska appears pretty rough if you're a woman.

I'm not doubting what you say but Tom is clearly trying to imply that race is a factor in criminality due to it being a racial trait and if that is the case I wonder why he doesn't talk about Hispanics but concentrates upon blacks. I also wonder why, if what he implies is true, there are seriously high violent crimes statistics in nations that have no black population.

[artisticsolution]

A:Are you saying that in poor black areas the law is not enforced?

AS: No, I am saying, that within MOST poor white areas that are heavy Christian, it is socially unacceptable to commit a crime such as a mugging, even if you listen to their music (country) most of it is sentimental be-kind-to-your-neighbor tear jerking stuff. That is not the trend with poor black music...which I think would be an embarrassment to sing a Donny and Marie style Rap...."I'm a little bit country...and I'm a little but rock and roll" It seems to me music is a representation of the sentiment of what is popular within a group. Not that it can't change within that group, but that during the time and culture what is socially acceptable in one area may or may not be in another. Rap and/or 'black' music in america speaks of what they like to listen to. It is not the same lyrics that most poor white areas listen to...not that they don't have 'little house on the prairie type lyrics, just most I have heard is about violence, sex and such...which by the way is considered "hip and cool" unlike most country music (although, since Bush, country music is way trendy now and it's almost as if you don't listen to it...you are unamerican or something).

I am not defending myself to you mind you...as I already know you think I am racist...and experience has shown me, once someone has something in their head about you, there is nothing you can do to change their mind...so I won't try. I am only trying to give you a flavor of the underlying tone/sentiment in the US now. From what I gather it is far different than in the UK as far as groups of people.

I take it there you have to be wary of everyone...even the kindly looking grandma pushing a stroller with her grandchildren in it down the street...that is if she even dares to venture out of her home.

A:Are you saying that there are no poor black christian areas?

AS: No, I am not saying this either. Yes there are..these would be in the bible belt as well...and I think in these areas there is less crime.

A:That Texas has no black people and there are no murderers?

AS: Of course Texas has black people and murderers...but if you commit a crime in Texas the punishment is much more harsh. I think they have a lower rate of crime in Texas. Religion coupled with harsh punishment lowers crime, I think. Except when religion teaches you must kill other religions.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder- ... tate#MRord
Tennessee appears to be pretty bad,
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/bus ... s/2925679/
And appears to be majority white.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/47000.html
Although Alaska appears pretty rough if you're a woman.

A:I'm not doubting what you say but Tom is clearly trying to imply that race is a factor in criminality due to it being a racial trait and if that is the case I wonder why he doesn't talk about Hispanics but concentrates upon blacks. I also wonder why, if what he implies is true, there are seriously high violent crimes statistics in nations that have no black population.

AS: I am sure he would talk about hispanics if he lived where there were alot of hispanics. He probably doesn't see alot as we don't like the cold weather. lol But seriously, most hispanics I know are Catholic, so the same applies...if a neighborhood has alot of religious folk...most times it is a safer neighborhood.

But is it true that we all can from 2 people? and if that is true how is it we are all different races? I guess I just don't know how it all came about sigh..

[Arising_uk]

AS: No, I am saying, that within MOST poor white areas that are heavy Christian, it is socially unacceptable to commit a crime such as a mugging, even if you listen to their music (country) most of it is sentimental be-kind-to-your-neighbor tear jerking stuff. That is not the trend with poor black music...which I think would be an embarrassment to sing a Donny and Marie style Rap...."I'm a little bit country...and I'm a little but rock and roll" It seems to me music is a representation of the sentiment of what is popular within a group. Not that it can't change within that group, but that during the time and culture what is socially acceptable in one area may or may not be in another. Rap and/or 'black' music in america speaks of what they like to listen to. It is not the same lyrics that most poor white areas listen to...not that they don't have 'little house on the prairie type lyrics, just most I have heard is about violence, sex and such...which by the way is considered "hip and cool" unlike most country music (although, since Bush, country music is way trendy now and it's almost as if you don't listen to it...you are unamerican or something).

I thought the poor black christian music was Gospel. Reggae, Rap and Hip-Hop is a recent venture and in the beginning was full of conscious lyrics, what changed was that they discovered they could make a mint selling the stereotypes to the white youth and the music industry has heavily promoted it.

I am not defending myself to you mind you...as I already know you think I am racist...and experience has shown me, once someone has something in their head about you, there is nothing you can do to change their mind...so I won't try. I am only trying to give you a flavor of the underlying tone/sentiment in the US now. From what I gather it is far different than in the UK as far as groups of people.

Where did I think you racist? Do you judge others behaviour as the result of their colour? If so are all hispanics crooks and thieves as they have a very high crime profile in the US.

The US has always been violent and racist was my understanding and Tom is just reflecting the obvious racism inherent amongst his class.

I take it there you have to be wary of everyone...even the kindly looking grandma pushing a stroller with her grandchildren in it down the street...that is if she even dares to venture out of her home.

Nope, we have shit areas where one has to be very careful and old people don't go out at nights but they can be black, white or brown neighbourhoods(although not as clear cut or as numerous as in the US) and we don't, upon the whole, think it a function of race.

AS: No, I am not saying this either. Yes there are..these would be in the bible belt as well...and I think in these areas there is less crime.

So not a function of race then.

AS: Of course Texas has black people and murderers...but if you commit a crime in Texas the punishment is much more harsh. I think they have a lower rate of crime in Texas. Religion coupled with harsh punishment lowers crime, I think. Except when religion teaches you must kill other religions.

Take a look at the links I provided you as they say differently, in fact where the death penalty is it appears the murder rate is higher? Texas is about in the middle it appears.

AS: I am sure he would talk about hispanics if he lived where there were alot of hispanics. He probably doesn't see alot as we don't like the cold weather. lol But seriously, most hispanics I know are Catholic, so the same applies...if a neighborhood has alot of religious folk...most times it is a safer neighbourhood.

And yet the hispanic community has some of the highest criminal offenders? Mexico is deeply religious and has a massive criminal problem? But I think I understand what you say and think it a function of there being something that actually ties a community together such that they can act upon such things as crime amongst themselves.

But is it true that we all can from 2 people? and if that is true how is it we are all different races? I guess I just don't know how it all came about sigh..

Read Darwin's The Origin of Species. Its also not quite true about the two people as non-africans have traces of a completely different species in them, i.e. the neanderthal and apparently its due to the female line.

[tbieter]

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In my opinion, elderly white males in this community should carry a weapon. And they should be wary and alert, and ready to exercise self-defense, whenever young black people are nearby. [/color]

Are you saying there are no poor white areas where one gets mugged?
No, but the crime rate of young black males and females is significantly disproportional to their numbers in the population. Thus the probability of being mugged by a group of young blacks is greater than being mugged by a group of young Hmong, or of whites, or of Catholic nuns.

imo old people in poor areas should be more wary and alert and not be so stupid as to display items that probably cost a week or more in wages.
Mark Andrew was seated at the Starbucks in the Mall of America when he became the victim of theft by the black male and assault by his accomplice females.
Would you walk through the slums of Russia(no blacks) with an iPhone on display?

[Arising_uk]

No, but the crime rate of young black males and females is significantly disproportional to their numbers in the population. Thus the probability of being mugged by a group of young blacks is greater than being mugged by a group of young Hmong, or of whites, or of Catholic nuns.

Which would depend upon where you live I'd guess. I'm not arguing that the black population is America has a disproportional amount of prison convictions for such things, which could of course be accounted for by how the police treat such things, nor that it may be the case that they actually do commit more crimes, what I question are your implicit implications that it is due to a racial trait. Or are you saying white people are more predisposed to rape as in Alaska you have a higher proportion of such things than elsewhere?

Mark Andrew was seated at the Starbucks in the Mall of America when he became the victim of theft by the black male and assault by his accomplice females.

Fair point, personally I think the old person even stupider for displaying their wares in a place where criminals would obviously gravitate.

Would you walk through the slums of Russia(no blacks) with an iPhone on display?

So would you walk around a white foreign country and leave your expensive phone on display?

[tbieter]

No, but the crime rate of young black males and females is significantly disproportional to their numbers in the population. Thus the probability of being mugged by a group of young blacks is greater than being mugged by a group of young Hmong, or of whites, or of Catholic nuns.

Which would depend upon where you live I'd guess. I'm not arguing that the black population is America has a disproportional amount of prison convictions for such things, which could of course be accounted for by how the police treat such things, nor that it may be the case that they actually do commit more crimes, what I question are your implicit implications that it is due to a racial trait. Or are you saying white people are more predisposed to rape as in Alaska you have a higher proportion of such things than elsewhere?

Mark Andrew was seated at the Starbucks in the Mall of America when he became the victim of theft by the black male and assault by his accomplice females.

Fair point, personally I think the old person even stupider for displaying their wares in a place where criminals would obviously gravitate.

Would you walk through the slums of Russia(no blacks) with an iPhone on display?

So would you walk around a white foreign country and leave your expensive phone on display?

" what I question are your implicit implications that it is due to a racial trait."
What I contend is that the incidence of violence is a more significant group behavioral pattern within the culture of black people in large cities in the U.S. in comparison to other groups. However, group behavioral patterns can change. Consider the history of Irish immigrants (who had violent ruffian tendencies) to the U.S.

[Arising_uk]

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What I contend is that the incidence of violence is a more significant group behavioral pattern within the culture of black people in large cities in the U.S. in comparison to other groups. However, group behavioral patterns can change. Consider the history of Irish immigrants (who had violent ruffian tendencies) to the U.S.

You'd have to show me that the bulk of black people behave in this way and I don't think you can, anymore than you can tar the Irish of the time. That you call it violent ruffians is quaint, as I think you mean murderers and thieves but I take it you are saying that its not a racial trait but a cultural one. So why do you think the Irish changed or even behaved this way in the first place? Could it be because of the general attitude of the greater population at the time?

[tbieter]

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What I contend is that the incidence of violence is a more significant group behavioral pattern within the culture of black people in large cities in the U.S. in comparison to other groups. However, group behavioral patterns can change. Consider the history of Irish immigrants (who had violent ruffian tendencies) to the U.S.

You'd have to show me that the bulk of black people behave in this way and I don't think you can, anymore than you can tar the Irish of the time. That you call it violent ruffians is quaint, as I think you mean murderers and thieves but I take it you are saying that its not a racial trait but a cultural one. So why do you think the Irish changed or even behaved this way in the first place? Could it be because of the general attitude of the greater population at the time?

Yes, a cultural one.
I don't know.

[jackles]

tbieter have you ever visited an african country.