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Lacewing wrote:Meanwhile, those with orange-colored glasses dance around with glee, completely unaware/uncaring of the toxic ignorance and degeneration they perpetuate while they watch Rome burn. Any self-serving idiot can burn something up without a care for all of the foolish and unnecessary loss. Whereas, evolving skillfully and responsibly requires much more awareness and honor than is routinely performed by Trump and all the clowns piled in his clown car. History will tell the tale of this "tremendous" low point in humankind's mental function.

This is rhetorically infused critique, classic TDS material, and classic Lacewing! that does not actually reveal much at all about the genuine mood of frustration among that sector of the American electorate that made Trump’s election possible.

Who is to say who really ‘cares’ for the Nation? You, Lacewing? Dubious? Seeds? Really? In what ways? Who gets to claim that mantle as it were? The real issue is one of “ownership”. Who owns the destiny of the nation. And that is to say that the Left Progressives, flooding the nation with many millions of (often illegal) immigrants, in order to gain demographic superiority in elections, might not truly be described as ‘caring’ for the Nation. But that is not even considered in your shallow, emoted analysis.

And what about the metaphor of “burning”? A riotous segment had literally been setting city centers on fire. Which deeply alarmed and profoundly offended many average Americans, many of them “original Americans” from the former industrial centers who saw themselves as having been ‘sold out’ by government and industry in processes of globalization where little tangible benefit accrued to them.

Whereas, evolving skillfully and responsibly requires much more awareness and honor than is routinely performed by Trump and all the clowns piled in his clown car.

Oh my Heavens. It is you who shall define “evolution”? And naturally you see yourself as among the “truly evolved”. This is quite typical feminine posing of that sort Andrews critiques.

But the fact of the matter is that the Progressive Left or Democratic Left had not been conducting itself in noble or “evolved” manner, but rather through many levels of devious social engineering and encouragement of radical lawlessness.

History will tell the tale of this "tremendous" low point in humankind's mental function.

You, Lacewing, have no qualification to make such grand pronouncements about how ‘history’ will view any of what is going on at this juncture of American civilization or European civilization because you have no interest in or involvement in these issues. And your comment about “mental function” is preposterous and comical.

You are a loud-mouthed girl in a specific and strange juncture of world history uniquely favorable to female stupidity sounding off because you feel it elevates you. It is a false self-elevation however. Preening.

Your entire shtick is not genuine analysis, it is propaganda narrative.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2026 1:03 pm...

Not reading. Not interested in whatever nonsense you're foolish enough to believe and pleasure yourself with.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2026 4:36 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2026 1:03 pm...

Not reading. Not interested in whatever nonsense you're foolish enough to believe and pleasure yourself with.

Tl;DR as a socio-political resistance tool! “I do not like you or your discourse so I won’t even entertain it”.

That is so perfect! It fits with your personality certainly, and you as a representative of your sex in this bizarre present. “I close my ears to anything you may say” based on the prejudice that it is regressive or ‘hurtful’ or emotionally distressing.

Your position is one that is classically anti-intellectual. You do not value ideas, and therefore cannot really be concerned for philosophy, because the position you define is grounded solely in sentiments. All you need is your own self with no connection to existent currents. Vaginal gurglings.

What is amazing, or perhaps I should say will be amazing, is the awaited non-response of your 2 Trump-contempt supporters, M. Seeds and Herr Dubious.

There is a vast population of what can really best be described as “ignorami”. It is not a phenomenon of the Left or of the Right, but a social pathology involving complete separation from “our intellectual traditions” by huge sectors of our populations. The rejection of hierarchies, the rejection of authority or the valuation of higher ideas among a deracinated urban class!

So then, we see here that TDS has a whole other dimension. Our hatred of Trump becomes for us a sort of foundation for a new way of being in the world. A new social-political modality.

Even for you, that was some pretentious bullshit right there.

It is I guess perennially interesting that all conversations, all attempts to arrive at solid, actionable understandings and agreements, is never possible. I am reminded of a poignant idea presented by Waldo Frank: he made a comparison between a dying biological body and a body-politic. That a dying body is anything but dead — it lights up as every cell, now separate from the body’s life, with an intensity of decomposition. Similarly, in our time and as the agreements that hold our civilization together begin to disintegrate, each atomized person is an energy-conflagration unto themselves. Exploding with energy, self-immolating, and isolated agony.

And the analysis of Why this is, Why has this come about? is impossible. The convulsing molecules don’t have any idea what is happening to them. But they have to find some place to drearily rehearse the condition of separation and anomie. Even inharmonious, painful argument, replete with strife and pained frustration, is better I suppose than the death of silence.

Alexis Jacobi does not despair, make no mistake!

Heaven-born, his soul a heavenward course must hold; Beyond the visible world soaring to seek (For what delights the sense is false and weak) Ideal Form, the universal mold. Alexis Jacobi, we must affirm, can find no rest in that which perishes; nor will he lend his heart to aught that doth on time depend!

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2026 9:59 pm Even for you, that was some pretentious bullshit right there.

These are hard teachings, Flash. I can present the picture of course, but I cannot understand for you!

Is there any special inane thing you hope to exteriorize? If I can help your catharsis do let me know!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2026 10:06 pm I
Alexis Jacobi does not despair, make no mistake!

Heaven-born, his soul a heavenward course must hold; Beyond the visible world soaring to seek (For what delights the sense is false and weak) Ideal Form, the universal mold. Alexis Jacobi, we must affirm, can find no rest in that which perishes; nor will he lend his heart to aught that doth on time depend!

Very nice! But when you croak you're gonna smell as bad as anyone else. The only person immune will be the one causing it. Certain it is that the speed to your six-foot deep pothole will likely be expedited on a hot day...and where you live there are a lot of hot days.

Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2026 5:25 am Very nice.

Where are you from, Dubious?

There is a developing chaos that results from Donald Trump’s failures to honor his campaign promises. I do not know how large it is but a significant faction of his base makes their discontent plain.

Both of the figures I present here are strange and flawed, but both for that very reason express something genuine about America as it moves ever-deeper into the crisis that has beset it.

Tucker Carlson on the failure to follow through on deportations. His guest asserts there are 100 million illegal/recent immigrants in the country. Seems unlikely. But even if 40 or 50 it is a nation-changing event. In the first 15 minutes the position is set forth.

Nick Fuentes, again for all his flaws, gives voice, and extremely articulate voice, also to genuine sentiments developing in a sector of the American population. His defined anti-Israel position is extraordinary and the reach of his views the same. This is very consequential material.

Alexis Jacobi suggests understanding what is occurring, and to arrive at that, you idiots, you will have to shut up and quiet your prejudices so that you can see and hear better. Maybe do some yoga? Or take up jogging?

As far as I am aware, and though radical indeed, there is no rhetor with the skill, the focus and the articulateness of Fuentes. He violates every rule as it pertains to topic and focus. He discusses the absolutely forbidden. It is nothing short of extraordinary and his ‘discourse’ is having and will have tremendous effect in the coming years.

Remember my deranged feminized boneheads par excellence: Alexis Jacobi will be standing by to guide you over the turbulent waters. (You guys are perfect for all this!)

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2026 4:53 pm… what can really best be described as “ignorami”

lol That’s “best” as in “maximally smug and pretentious”.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2026 9:59 pmEven for you, that was some pretentious bullshit right there.

QED

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2026 1:05 pm… there is no rhetor with the skill, the focus and the articulateness of Fuentes.

I doubt you can substantiate that with an example, AJ, but I’d really like to see you try!

mickthinks wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2026 2:05 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2026 1:05 pm… there is no rhetor with the skill, the focus and the articulateness of Fuentes.

I doubt you can substantiate that with an example, AJ, but I’d really like to see you try!

The example I submit, Mr Mick, is the video ‘discourse’ just above. I do hope that you took my statement as one in the context of American politics and what circulates in social media, on YouTube and Rumble. Fuentes is enormously talented exactly in rhetorical communication. I can’t think of anyone that compares with him on any channel I am aware of. QED. Substantiated beyond argument. Case closed.

Which is worse, though? You guys or these podcast guys? Back up for a second, lemme explain.

Pretend you're in the Matrix. The illusory world is one where the people are divided up into groups called religions, and the religious language they use and think with isn't just meaningless nonsense. It has real effects. In this illusory world, there aren't just some working class people in another country who identify with an imaginary culture (Jewism) and wear the t-shirts 'n stuff... but actual evil agents that can abuse and twist the values and institutions of that country by supporting the war efforts of an enemy nation.

In the other world, the real world, there are just some working people living the benign lives of a 9 to 5 or are in school. These people don't actually have evil Jew powers. In fact, there is no such thing as a 'Jew', but nevermind that now. Sometimes, these people utter phrases like "go Israel" (another illusion... there are no countries) and wave cloth with symbols on it at rallies in the public square... but the phrases are of no consequence, and the people go to work or school the next day.

Back in the illusory world, private media stars and podcastors devote whole careers to avoiding the simplicity and elegance of the marxist explanation for the mess they struggle so much to address and pretend to be actually involved in a discussion about anything but nonsense. Whole careers, dude.

There is no 'Jew', and there is no dangerous jewish behavior or language. If there is dangerous behavior, it is the behavior of the universal human working class, and it exists because of the machinations of the capitalists and their State cronies. The entire middle-eastern conflict exists and has always existed because of these two. It's not America and Israel vs Islam. That's part of the Matrix. In reality, there are only agent smiths and rebels. Capitalists and working class. It's the capitalists that invent all the religions and countries. The workers are too broke to do such things.

It is quite literally like the Matrix, and these talking-head podcastors are like carnival booth operators or some shit.

But then what happens when this crap becomes a topic at a philosophy forum and people go on forever talking about it as if any of its real? Are we truly fucked at that point?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2026 4:34 pm
It is quite literally like the Matrix, and these talking-head podcastors are like carnival booth operators or some shit.

But then what happens when this crap becomes a topic at a philosophy forum and people go on forever talking about it as if any of its real? Are we truly fucked at that point?

But Promethean, this is not The Matrix, so you invalidate your premise from the start. There are many different “real things” but among those is 1) a real immigration issue of possibly 50 million+ people. That is not minor. 2) the recently started war is one of consequences. It is not an illusion. 3) the recent undermining of the pro-Zionist support in the US is also not minor by any means. 4) there is now talk on this topic: If Israel will conduct and does conduct assassinations of its enemies, and if its enemies are now broadcaster in the US (Candace, Tucker, Fuentes) that it identifies as “vile anti-Semites”, then in the public mind how do you think 2+2 will be put together?

This is a philosophy forum, and the political division within the forum. But why is it that no one is capable of discussing political events without there leaking in the terrifying conflicts and upsets occurring in their own tender, terrified, over-burdened souls?

And why, Promethean, is everything you say always in ironic terms that are humorous but effectively contribute nothing? Is this a branch of philosophical inquiry have yet to discover?

That's Jimmy Carl Black, the Indian of the group!