Trump is not offering peace in Ukraine

[Alexis Jacobi]

I deal with irascible creatures on a daily basis. That explains my extraordinary equanimity!

[Atla]

Now Russia is whining that Europe decides to arm itself. I don't think they saw it coming. This is actually very typical of Russia. They genuinely didn't understand why post-Soviet countries wanted to join NATO either. They are simply completely oblivious to the suffering they cause, and always have been.

[seeds]

I deal with irascible creatures on a daily basis. That explains my extraordinary equanimity!

Dang it, Apollyon, how did you find my singing coach?
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[Dubious]

If it's "well-known," you should be able to produce the evidence. But I'm still not seeing any.

As mentioned, that was already a forgone conclusion.

That you would be unable to produce any evidence?

TDS it is.

No evidence has been your motto without fail ever since you joined, regardless of any evidence produced delivered in all that time; that much is beyond clear. All evidence is false except what you're willing to accept as such. To you, the bible is evidence that evolution is false, proving that you're too prejudiced to accept anything which infringes your distorted half insane view of reality.

It requires a plethora of your kind to create a mutant perspective turning the history of humanity into a bona fide farce, and depending on numbers, a deadly one at that.

TDS is your problem since it's YOUR brain which has been deranged by an illiterate liar and criminal. You sure have managed your sources well!

[attofishpi]

TDS is your problem since it's YOUR brain which has been deranged by an illiterate liar and criminal. You sure have managed your sources well!

..but they're all liars and criminals. At least Trump is honest about what he is about to do..and then bloody well does it!

[Dubious]

Americans apparently overwhelmingly approve his early policy measures.

Are you truly incapable of anything but lies?

From Copilot...

The American public's view of Donald Trump's early policy measures is quite divided. According to a recent CNN poll, 52% of Americans disapprove of Trump's performance in office, while 48% approve. Another Pew Research Center report shows that 47% of U.S. adults approve of how Trump is handling his job as president, while 51% disapprove.

It seems that Trump's policies are met with skepticism by a significant portion of the population. For example, more Americans see Trump's policy proposals as taking the country in the wrong direction (45%) than the right one (39%).

So, while Trump has strong support among Republicans, the overall approval of his early policy measures is far from overwhelming.

[Dubious]

TDS is your problem since it's YOUR brain which has been deranged by an illiterate liar and criminal. You sure have managed your sources well!

..but they're all liars and criminals. At least Trump is honest about what he is about to do..and then bloody well does it!

No! they are not all liars and criminals. True that lying has always been a part of politics but in that respect Trump is in a class of his own, unique in the annals of the American presidency.

Also, if he then bloody well does it as you state, why is there a rising crescendo of this is not what we voted for!

[Dubious]

This is sort of directed to Dubious, one of the most irrational hot-heads who burps up undigested, sloppy *opinions* which are thoroughly corrupt at a rhetorical and ideational level (as goes without saying really).

Coming from an honorary member of the intelligentsia though thoroughly divested of any intelligence, I, a forlorn outcast member of the group, will acknowledge this as a compliment!

Best stick to your haphazard stream of hocus-pocus midair acrobatic excesses of metaphysical surmises. You will be welcomed back to planet earth as soon as your hot air balloon meets solid ground!

[attofishpi]

[Immanuel Can]

As mentioned, that was already a forgone conclusion.

That you would be unable to produce any evidence?

TDS it is.

No evidence has been your motto without fail ever since you joined,

Thank you. I consider that a sign of rationality. I wish I could return the compliment.

[Immanuel Can]

Americans apparently overwhelmingly approve his early policy measures.

Are you truly incapable of anything but lies?

How about data?
https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-conten ... vFinal.pdf

[Dubious]

The argument suggesting Trump’s approach offers "peace" is fundamentally misguided.

First, framing Ukraine’s insistence on regaining internationally recognized territory (Donbas, Crimea) and seeking justice as “revenge” or “hubris” is an intentional distortion. Ukraine's territorial integrity isn’t an arbitrary request; it’s a fundamental principle of international law. To dismiss it as mere stubbornness is ethically indefensible and strategically short-sighted.

Second, the claim that Trump’s "peace" will secure Ukraine’s existence ignores the historical record. Putin has repeatedly broken security guarantees (the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, for example, in which Ukraine surrendered nuclear weapons in exchange for territorial integrity assurances, which Russia violated in 2014 and 2022). If Ukraine accepts Trump's proposal—no NATO membership, no territory regained, and no security guarantees—it's effectively accepting a ticking clock for the next invasion. This isn’t peace; it's appeasement that rewards aggression, signaling to Russia that territorial conquest through force is acceptable.

Third, the assertion that NATO expansion provoked Russia into war overlooks a crucial moral point: sovereign states have the right to seek alliances for their defense. Russia doesn’t hold a legitimate veto power over Ukraine’s right to determine its own future. To concede this would dangerously legitimize imperial aggression as a valid geopolitical tool.

Finally, accusing Zelensky of arrogance or ingratitude for not capitulating ignores a basic moral imperative: a nation under existential threat isn't morally obliged to politely accept conditions that guarantee its vulnerability. Zelensky is not “foolish” for demanding security—he’s doing precisely what any responsible leader must do.

In short, Trump’s offer isn’t peace; it's surrender packaged as pragmatism. Real peace involves meaningful guarantees, respect for sovereignty, and credible deterrents—not false equivalences and concessions to dictatorships.

In total agreement or not, finally, someone whose ideas are commensurate with the Weltpolitik conditions now prevailing. Nice to read something sensible vis-à-vis all the other liars and idiots here who themselves are victims of TDS.

Tragically, I believe you are too sensible to last very long on this site!

[Dubious]

That you would be unable to produce any evidence?

TDS it is.

No evidence has been your motto without fail ever since you joined,

Thank you. I consider that a sign of rationality. I wish I could return the compliment.

No one like you would ever dispute their rationality.

[Dubious]

Americans apparently overwhelmingly approve his early policy measures.

Are you truly incapable of anything but lies?

How about data?
https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-conten ... vFinal.pdf

To ask for something, you first have to know what it is.

[phyllo]

See Phyllo, what you seek is someone to fight with so you can vent all your frustrations and fears.

And when you do this you make a calm, rational conversation IMPOSSIBLE.

And then this becomes a ridiculous game of team sport where one binary faction, in hot-headed manner, battles the other faction.

Get a grip man!

You describe Trump as :

He is a loose cannon. He speaks irresponsibly. He does not control enough his phrasing. Also he constantly trolls those who are constantly watching him (the media systems for example).

But if people are disturbed by that, then they are the problem?

Is everyone who finds faults in Trump supposed to shut up, smile and enjoy the ride?

How does your idea of a calm, rational conversation work? Do you have a sample dialog that I could learn from? I definitely want to avoid venting and being hot-headed.