Racism

[vegetariantaxidermy]

No, no, no. With you and wizard and those of your ilk, I'm more interested in taking racism here:

He's Wizard 22 and Satyr is Satyr. They are called usernames. Why the obsession with the Satyr username? I'm pretty sure you can still find his posts on here. Read over them and ask yourself, 'Does this resemble the username 'Wizrd'?' If the answer is 'no, not remotely so', then the humans (presumably) who are operating those usernames could not be one and the same.

This has absolutely nothing to do with you. And with whatever it is about your life that pisses you off enough to prompt you to come here and take that outrage out on others. Something about men clearly.

Look, haven't I already agreed to discuss that with you?

As for Satyr, we go way back...10 years or so.

I'm just curious, is all. We're allowed to be curious here, right? Not only that but for our own personal reasons.

Hope that helped.

Ridiculous to even ask someone that, not to mention extremely bad manners (from 'The user's guide to internet etiquette volume 17').

[vegetariantaxidermy]

What are 'Europeans'? Does your claim apply specifically to people who live in Europe? I think not.

That is a moronic question. You describe yourself as *literate* and yet you ask the question of a cultural illiterate. If what you mean to say is that Australia, New Zealand, and the US and Canada fall outside of Europe the assertion does not hold. They are extensions.

If you made the same claim that 'black people, on average, have slightly lower IQs than white people (on average)' then both Scalper and Flasher would throw up their hands in faux horror and screech the R & B words at you. They are absolutely fine with you saying that white people are stupider than Asians. And what are 'Asians'? Do you men Chinese people? What 'colour' are they? Why is Chinese a 'race' and not a Nationality? Do wonkers think that 'white' is the default human state of being, therefore anyone who isn't 'white' is a 'race' and not a 'nationality'?

That claim is not only made but more or less proven -- at least if I refer to the research which I have attempted to read.

The issue is simply that comparing human beings on any level has been made to be a moral evil in and of itself. At that level it does not matter what is true or false. To think or see in those terms is a form of expressed evil.

It does not matter what Sculptor and Flash believe, think or say: according to the studies made by some researchers the data shows that on average Asians are more intellectually proficient -- have a higher IQ. You say you are invested in science categories. Well, there you have one. Is it absolutely true? I do not know. Is it ultimately relevant? It seems to have some relevancy but that is as far as I will go. The underperformance of so-called Sub-Saharan Africans is, however, an issue of consequence. Not because I want it to be such though. It is an issue.

If the *research* supports that conclusion is the conclusion morally wrong? What is your opinion you grouchy rutabaga?

The Asians referred to are Asians from the region of Asia. The Indian Sub-Continent and various countries in Asia where the testing was done.

Try to get this through your dull, hardened head: I am referring to studies nor revealing my own research. I tend to believe that their data is generally accurate but I cannot ultimately conclude that.

Why is Chinese a 'race' and not a Nationality?

I suppose it is because they, the Chinese, are predominantly Han Chinese.

Do wonkers think that 'white' is the default human state of being, therefore anyone who isn't 'white' is a 'race' and not a 'nationality'?

If you wish to continue to be thought of as somewhat smart I'd go to work on these dumb-ass questions, Granny.

Poor confused soul. You don't have a clue which 'box' to put me in. Perhaps just try leaving me on the table instead

[iambiguous]

He's Wizard 22 and Satyr is Satyr. They are called usernames. Why the obsession with the Satyr username? I'm pretty sure you can still find his posts on here. Read over them and ask yourself, 'Does this resemble the username 'Wizrd'?' If the answer is 'no, not remotely so', then the humans (presumably) who are operating those usernames could not be one and the same.

This has absolutely nothing to do with you. And with whatever it is about your life that pisses you off enough to prompt you to come here and take that outrage out on others. Something about men clearly.

Look, haven't I already agreed to discuss that with you?

As for Satyr, we go way back...10 years or so.

I'm just curious, is all. We're allowed to be curious here, right? Not only that but for our own personal reasons.

Hope that helped.

Ridiculous to even ask someone that, not to mention extremely bad manners (from 'The user's guide to internet etiquette volume 17').

Okay, sure, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle it is then. And, no, given the manner in which over and again [from my own prejudiced frame of mind], you seem intent on attacking -- sometimes scathingly -- those you construe to be "morons", I'm curious about that too.

Let's discuss it.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

This has absolutely nothing to do with you. And with whatever it is about your life that pisses you off enough to prompt you to come here and take that outrage out on others. Something about men clearly.

Look, haven't I already agreed to discuss that with you?

As for Satyr, we go way back...10 years or so.

I'm just curious, is all. We're allowed to be curious here, right? Not only that but for our own personal reasons.

Hope that helped.

Ridiculous to even ask someone that, not to mention extremely bad manners (from 'The user's guide to internet etiquette volume 17').

Okay, sure, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle it is then. And, no, given the manner in which over and again [from my own prejudiced frame of mind], you seem intent on attacking -- sometimes scathingly -- those you construe to be "morons", I'm curious about that too.

Let's discuss it.

From what I recall Satyr's human operator is some Greek guy with a name like 'Cosmos Acidophillus' or some such.

[iambiguous]

No, no, no. With you and wizard and those of your ilk, I'm more interested in taking racism here.

One of your issues, putting aside compulsion and what I might label psychological over-heating, is that you blend categories together indiscriminately. I have no clear idea what Wizard is arguing for nor what against. And in my case I am more or less sharing *research notes* from my investigation of the actual views and beliefs of those who are in the Dissident Right or the so-called Far Right.

I am not proposing a racialist program nor recommending that you or anyone accept, believe in or act on any particular position, but rahter am working to clarify what, in fact, is being debated. Essentially what the issue is.

Okay, given what you construe the issue of race to be you'll either take that here...

And then, finally, for those here who think that this is the case, okay, if you were in a position of power in a community composed of many different races, what would be permitted and what would not be permitted in regard to social, political and economic interactions? What behaviors would be encouraged/rewarded and what behaviors would be discouraged/punished? For example, would interracial marriages still be legal?

And how would you compare yourself to, say, those who practiced apartheid in South Africa and those who practiced extermination in Nazi Germany?

...or you won't. Presuming that you do believe the Northern European white stock is "on average" in possession of the superior intellect.

Instead, on and on you go [in Stooge mode] taking the exchange as far away from that as you possibly can...

You make the mistake of confusing clarification and outlining (of an issue) as advocacy. But this is quite true all across the board today. That is, among those in Left or Progressive circles even to outline or to profess to understand the ideology of those in another camp is seen as advocacy.

I think you have made it clear, and always in that huge bold print, that you wish to see a racialist ideology applied, as for example it was in Germany under the National Socialists or under the apartheid government (that had a 300+ year root). You are sure that the German National Socialists were bad, and I gather you think the same of the Dutch and German South Africans, but to that I say that your entire argument will reduce to what it seems to be here: tirade after emoted tirade.

Simply unbelievable. I'm merely attempting to bring your own views on race down out of the "serious philosophy" clouds and explore where you yourself would take your "theoretical" conclusions if you interacted in a community of different races and you were in a position of power to walk your talk.

I used big and bold print above because with you the sort of print I'm using now never seems to work. And, after all, there are those who believe that the white race is the superior race that were, historically, willing to impose apartheid and death camps in proudly walking their own talk.

How about you in your own "best of all possible communities"? Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle or "true confessions"?

But topically the entire issue is far more complex and I'd even say it is more interesting when examined from a less determined position. For one example: how are we to examine Israeli determination to erase non-Jewish identity in Israel/Palestine? It sure seems to be a similar process. That is, one of recovery of one's chosen self-identity and absolute, if also concealed, determination to annihilate another, competing identity.

Indeed:

"Rep. Pramila Jayapal, the Democrat from Washington state, set off a small firestorm when she told the truth this past weekend. Here are her ‘offending’ words: “I want you to know that we have been fighting to make it clear that Israel is a racist state.” In response, what passes for Democratic leadership in Congress issued this statement:

"“Israel is not a racist state,” said House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Reps. Katherine Clark, Pete Aguilar and Ted Lieu in a joint statement that did not mention Jayapal by name.”

"We all know, of course, that Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, B’Tselem and other human-rights organizations have documented in great detail how Israel is an apartheid (read: racist) state. That is an obvious fact for anyone who follows news of the Middle East. So why do the esteemed Democratic ‘leaders’ referenced above deny this fact? Well, there may be a reason." counterpunch magazine.

On the other hand, there are those who would treat the Jews [and the blacks] in much the same manner themselves if they only did have the power to get the job done.

But, instead, it's straight back up into the intellectual clouds...

There are other areas where these issues and questions are relevant today, and a reductionist mind-set is not only boring and predictable but uninteresting and rather dull. Take for example France and the developing or strengthening French nationalist and identitarian movement. Is that movement *wrong*? I mean on a moral level? I am not sure that it is. It is definitely problematic though.

But the most crucial component revolves around whether "on average" and compared to other races, whites have a superior intelligence.

That, given this as the most crucial factor, is it reasonable to suggest in turn that whites might then be construed as the "master race".

When dealing with Obsessive/Compulsives I guess you just have to let them be what they want to be . . .

The actual question, though, if the question is posed fairly, is Would you allow any nation, and any people, to self-determine its membership? Take as an example *Nigeria* or *Japan*.

Or, in the name of some *higher value* must all such concern and identity-issue be seen and be transformed into a sort of mortal evil?

So, is that a yes or a no?

[Alexis Jacobi]

...or you won't.

You are smarter than all your posts indicate! I definitely won’t.

However I will definitely discuss what I understand, say, of the social, racial and cultural situation occurring today in France. I am familiar with it to a degree (also because I lived in France when quite young).

As you say: We need a context. And there is a good one.

Simply unbelievable. I'm merely attempting to bring your own views on race down out of the "serious philosophy" clouds and explore where you yourself would take your "theoretical" conclusions if you interacted in a community of different races and you were in a position of power to walk your talk.

You say more or less the same thing in dozens of posts. And you get no traction.

I do not have activist views on race issues (and most other contentious issues). I am more an observer and a researcher than an activist.

[Alexis Jacobi]

So, is that a yes or a no?

This is a test for you: what do you think? If someone had a gun to your head and said “choose correctly or die!” what would your conclusion be, idiot?

I have faith that you can get this right! I’m rooting for you!

[promethean75]

"And what are 'Asians'? Do you men Chinese people?"

Who are these men you're referring to? I hope u aren't including me becuz I don't chinese people. I've never chinesed anyone in my entire life.

[promethean75]

I can't believe u can't tell who Wizard is, Biggs. U can spot his style and what he says a mile away dude. I'm not gonna blow his cover cuz I'm not a snitch so he'll tell u if he does. But damn man. This one couldn't be easier.

[Alexis Jacobi]

indeed: [concerning the Israeli state]

So the question is: do you support Jewry, and Israel, and those in the Diaspora who support and finance Israel, to continue the project of recovery of Israel; reconquest if you will, or simple conquest if you wish; and in eventually gaining full control over that territory?

Or are you an antisemitic neo-Nazi which position is in fact far closer to your actual racist roots, racist!

And don’t feed me that “fractured & fragmented” line of evasive BS.

[iambiguous]

...or you won't.

You are smarter than all your posts indicate! I definitely won’t.

However I will definitely discuss what I understand, say, of the social, racial and cultural situation occurring today in France. I am familiar with it to a degree (also because I lived in France when quite young).

As you say: We need a context. And there is a good one.

No, you won't. You have "ideas" -- maybe "ideals"? -- regarding race. And that need be as far as it goes.

On the other hand, what would you advise the French government to do in regard to their own racial tensions? How far would you go in regard to the immigrants there who are not of Northern European white stock? As for black citizens of France, would you construe them to be entirely the equal of white citizens? Or maybe you're more inclined to embrace a "separate but equal" approach to race relations. Maybe Marcus Garvey had the right idea.

Again, with me philosophy is not about ideas and ideals so much as how one intertwines those ideas and ideals out in the world of actual human interactions.

Though I'm sure you can find plenty of other "serious philosophers" here to go up into the intellectual clouds with you. Fellow pedants as it were. Embracing the racial equivalent of "sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?"

Simply unbelievable. I'm merely attempting to bring your own views on race down out of the "serious philosophy" clouds and explore where you yourself would take your "theoretical" conclusions if you interacted in a community of different races and you were in a position of power to walk your talk.

You say more or less the same thing in dozens of posts. And you get no traction.

Well, maybe next time...

I do not have activist views on race issues (and most other contentious issues). I am more an observer and a researcher than an activist.

Fine. Then I would advise you to simply steer clear of my posts. For nearly 25 years I was a political activist. And part of the reason I gave it up revolved around the fact that fellow activists were less and less inclined to tolerate my own "fractured and fragmented" moral nihilism. I kept pushing moderation, negotiation and compromise in the political arena and they were sticking with their own rendition of right makes might.

So, I'm always looking for those who are still objectivists. Who knows, maybe I'll bump into one actually able to prompt me to yank myself up out of the hole I have dug myself down into.

[Alexis Jacobi]

On the other hand, what would you advise the French government to do in regard to their own racial tensions? How far would you go in regard to the immigrants there who are not of Northern European white stock? As for Black citizens of France, would you construe them to be entirely the equal of white citizens? Or maybe you're more inclined to embrace a "separate but equal" approach to race relations. Maybe Marcus Garvey had the right idea.

Why must I advise them? Government reflects the people governed, yes? The issue then has to be brought out into relief, you mental deficient.

What do an increasingly segment of the population want? Tell me. Quote from sources you are familiar with.

C’mon! You can do it!

What is the issue then, dope? Do you know anything about it?

If this is an area that interests you what are your research sources? What are you reading?

Talk about where you stand, you neurotic looser.

Do you support Marcus Garvey’s ideas? Why?

Who knows, maybe I'll bump into one actually able to prompt me to yank myself up out of the hole I have dug myself down into.

What hole is that? Why are you there?

I’d rather ask for help of extracting your head from your asshole.

[iambiguous]

indeed: [concerning the Israeli state]

So the question is: do you support Jewry, and Israel, and those in the Diaspora who support and finance Israel, to continue the project of recovery of Israel; reconquest if you will, or simple conquest if you wish; and in eventually gaining full control over that territory?

Or are you an antisemitic neo-Nazi which position is in fact far closer to your actual racist roots, racist!

And don’t feed me that “fractured & fragmented” line of evasive BS.

No, seriously.

That I bring you to post seething spitballs like this tells me more about you than I need to know about you. You're cracking up right in front of me.

[iambiguous]

On the other hand, what would you advise the French government to do in regard to their own racial tensions? How far would you go in regard to the immigrants there who are not of Northern European white stock? As for Black citizens of France, would you construe them to be entirely the equal of white citizens? Or maybe you're more inclined to embrace a "separate but equal" approach to race relations. Maybe Marcus Garvey had the right idea.

Why must I advise them? Government reflects the people governed, yes? The issue then has to be brought out into relief, you mental deficient.

What do an increasingly segment of the population want? Tell me. Quote from sources you are familiar with.

C’mon! You can do it!

What is the issue then, dope? Do you know anything about it?

If this is an area that interests you what are your research sources? What are you reading?

Talk about where you stand, you neurotic looser.

Do you support Marcus Garvey’s ideas? Why?

Who knows, maybe I'll bump into one actually able to prompt me to yank myself up out of the hole I have dug myself down into.

What hole is that? Why are you there?

I’d rather ask for help of extracting your head from your asshole.

Okay, fine. "That's entertainment" it is with you too then.


Note to Satyr:

Does this take me back! Remember? Back to when I got you so infuriated, you threw me into the Dungeon!! Then you "disappeared me" from the forum altogether.







NEXT!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

On the other hand, what would you advise the French government to do in regard to their own racial tensions? How far would you go in regard to the immigrants there who are not of Northern European white stock? As for Black citizens of France, would you construe them to be entirely the equal of white citizens? Or maybe you're more inclined to embrace a "separate but equal" approach to race relations. Maybe Marcus Garvey had the right idea.

Why must I advise them? Government reflects the people governed, yes? The issue then has to be brought out into relief, you mental deficient.

What do an increasingly segment of the population want? Tell me. Quote from sources you are familiar with.

C’mon! You can do it!

What is the issue then, dope? Do you know anything about it?

If this is an area that interests you what are your research sources? What are you reading?

Talk about where you stand, you neurotic looser.

Do you support Marcus Garvey’s ideas? Why?

Who knows, maybe I'll bump into one actually able to prompt me to yank myself up out of the hole I have dug myself down into.

What hole is that? Why are you there?

I’d rather ask for help of extracting your head from your asshole.

Okay, fine. "That's entertainment" it is with you too then.


Note to Satyr:

Does this take me back! Remember? Back to when I got you so infuriated, you threw me into the Dungeon!! Then you "disappeared me" from the forum altogether.







NEXT!

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