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Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:36 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:34 am Cars and planes were CREATED and are USED FOR transport, which EVERY one WANTS, for "themselves".

Whereas, guns were CREATED and are USED to KILL and MAIM people, which absolutely NO one WANTS, for "themselves".

POSIWID

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpo ... at_it_does

The term is widely used by systems theorists, and is generally invoked to counter the notion that the purpose of a system can be read from the intentions of those who design, operate, or promote it. When a system's side effects or unintended consequences reveal that its behavior is poorly understood, then the POSIWID perspective can balance political understandings of system behavior with a more straightforwardly descriptive view.

What my guns do is protect life.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:36 am With the potential side-effect of making the threat to life dead. Oh no!

Anyway. What's for breakfast?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:35 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:32 amThat's so American.

Actually, I have friends in America, and they are not at all like you and your kind, so maybe the place isn't as bad as the impression the rest of the world has of it.

Not all Americans are rich hoighty toighty liberals with $1,000,00.00 in the bank and walled by gated communities.

You should branch-out of your friends network, mon ami.

Age wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:43 am LOL HOW, EXACTLY?

And, FROM 'what', EXACTLY?

Age wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:43 am And the Fact that you WILL NOT ANSWER these QUESTIONS OPENLY and Honestly FURTHER PROVES just how DELUDED 'you' REALLY ARE "skepdick".

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:36 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:32 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:24 am
I feel that the 2nd Amendment of the United States is sacred—as Tyrants and Fascists around the world want to deprive Americans of our Right to self-defense.

It's a slave-morality, wanting to disarm others because you-yourself have been disarmed. Just because you have given-up your Sovereign Rights to defend your own life, doesn't mean that everybody else should, or that it's something to be Proud about.

That's so American.

Actually, I have friends in America, and they are not at all like you and your kind, so maybe the place isn't as bad as the impression the rest of the world has of it.

Do you have black friends also?

I bet you can generalise to millions of people from the handful of friends you have.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:54 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:52 am I don't know what the general attitude here is towards gun ownership, but I've never seen anyone "melt down" over the issue.

So you don't consider your pejoratives and metaphors as comparing gun ownership to "childish play"; the casual dismissal of the idea; or in general the sort of behaviour that stigmatises guns and gun ownership and makes the topic a social taboo as a meltdown? The sort of virtue signaling that equates civility with passivity?

I do.

Age wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:54 am I have seen adult human beings have 'meltdowns' when they hear that the guns that they want they are not allowed to have anymore, just like little children have 'meltdowns' when they are not allowed to have the ice cream nor candy that they want, or like when one REFUSES to live in a society where they are not allowed to own a gun, could be ANOTHER form of a 'meltdown'.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:57 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:53 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 9:32 am So every person for themselves? Nice society you got there.

Yes it is a nice society where I live, where grown ups are not shy in taking responsibilty for their own self by understanding is it wrong to be hostile to another person, or make another kid an orphan in favor of their own kids chance of survival, and that it's just plain wrong to kill other people. They simply don't need some thing called a ''gun'' to protect them from the big bad evil world of do unto others what they intend for you before they get in first. They know how to cooperate with other people in a civilised way without resorting to violence and mass killing sprees.

Great! So if the members of your society are so civil and reasonable, and they embrace social cohesion then why do you need any laws against gun ownership?

Do you think guns have some magical mind-control powers that turn civil/reasonable people into violent zombies that can unwind the very fabric of your society?

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:02 am So, today morning was the usual - dad (me) and muh 15 year old fighting ... half the way from home ta school - and just before all that was what's important. Car here, honk! From the mountains over there, a honk! Honk here and honk there! I should've screamed "Iiiii .... looooove .... yoooou!" Honk! Onk! Honk! Onk!

Age wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:02 am

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:02 am So, today morning was the usual - dad (me) and muh 15 year old fighting ... half the way from home ta school - and just before all that was what's important. Car here, honk! From the mountains over there, a honk! Honk here and honk there! I should've screamed "Iiiii .... looooove .... yoooou!" Honk! Onk! Honk! Onk!

Okay.

Age wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 11:01 am 'you', "skepdick", seem to think or BELIEVE that guns have some sort of magical power to protect life.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:09 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:07 am For example, How, EXACTLY, could I defend those whom I love if "others" were trying to harm them, when it is EVERY one that I love EQUALLY?

Then you would be lying about "loving everyone equally"

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:09 am If you do nothing to prevent your family from being murdered then it sure seems you love the murderer more than you love your family.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:21 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:17 am I'm not a virtue signaler nor a pacifist. I'm just someone who realises there is a difference between the exciting, shoot-anything-that-moves world of TV cops and robbers, and the real world of what a bullet entering a human body looks like.

I don't buy your gung-ho attitude towards the issue, anyway. It wouldn't surprise me if you'd never touched a real gun.

I don't buy the attitude you are conveying either, and I do wonder why you are conveying it.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:21 am Nothing about killing another person excites me.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:21 am The thought of having to do it again and go through the self-doubt, legal process, a small fortune in legal fees and the stress of having over-stepped some legal technicality and potentially going to prison gives me gut-wrenching nausea.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:21 am But I will do it if it's necessary.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:24 am I've never handled a gun in my life.

But the security, comfort, peace-of-mind, and serenity I grew up with in the United States, seems to have gone completely. Now I feel there is a level of animosity, distrust, hatred growing in the US that will not be alleviated anytime soon, as the fabric of Western society pulls further apart. The Anglican dynasty is failing, and being replaced with monstrous, base elements of humanity. So what are the next steps of a faltering, stagnant, decaying society? Crime spikes. Westerners should be realistic about this.

I may need to purchase and own a firearm, to protect me and my own. Will it bring me comfort? Will it make me feel 'more secure'? No, it makes me feel worse, that I need to defend my life at all.


I feel that the 2nd Amendment of the United States is sacred—as Tyrants and Fascists around the world want to deprive Americans of our Right to self-defense.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:24 am It's a slave-morality, wanting to disarm others because you-yourself have been disarmed. Just because you have given-up your Sovereign Rights to defend your own life, doesn't mean that everybody else should, or that it's something to be Proud about.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 10:24 am The Anglican dynasty is failing, and being replaced with monstrous, base elements of humanity. So what are the next steps of a faltering, stagnant, decaying society? Crime spikes. Westerners should be realistic about this.