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"you' say this like 'you' are Truly FREE "wizard22". Is this what 'you' BELIEVE is true?"

Age. buddy. he wouldn't have said it unless he thought it wuz true. it goes without saying. you don't have to aks him if what he says he believes is what he believes, unless he is under suspicion of lying. but in that case, it would be futile to aks a liar if what he says next is true... hence the uselessness of aksing him and the futility of the endeavor.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:36 pmmost people won't agree because it is stupid. others might bother to point out that you aren't even making an argument there.

Recreational sex is always a touchy issue for degenerates who reject the consequences of sex (which is having children). This is why most won't agree; because people don't want to be ashamed of their sexual failures in life.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:36 pmunfortunately for you, it looks like Belinda is willing to big you up. she has this uncanny ability to pick out an idiot and give them a nice ego boost.

I'm sure that Belinda, and the rest of this forum, is waiting with bated breath for you deep philosophical insights. Unfortunately, we all must wait awhile longer it seems.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:42 pmI've never seen this work on large scales. If we had tiny 'nations', ok, there is precendent. I mean tiny. But I don't see it happen in nation states. There you are dealing with strangers. If we had tiny countries, ok, but how to we convince the nations we have to become a bunch of tiny ones

You should do some small research on the colonization of the Americas. There were many 'small' governments since the 1600s. There are even some small pockets of individuals and families in the new world who preserved that free mindset to today. But that is evaporating, as mentioned, as everything privatizes and globalizes over time.

The United States even fought a civil war over federalization.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:00 pmFirstly, and just so that we are ALL AWARE here, "wizard22's" PRESUMPTION of what my views are around 'this' is TOTALLY Wrong.

Secondly, 'training', teaching, guidance, and showing IS NEEDED, 'discipline' IS NOT.

And, let us NOT FORGET that UNTIL CLARITY IS SOUGHT OUT and OBTAINED, FIRST, ALL ASSUMPTIONS made by ANY of 'you' could be False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect.

You obviously have a fixation on 'Discipline'. Were you abused or humiliated through your disciplining as a child? Most children grow up and leave that past behind. When you're a child, you may not understand why you are being punished. That's up to the quality of the parent.

Not all will have high quality parenting as children; by definition few will.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:40 am "you' say this like 'you' are Truly FREE "wizard22". Is this what 'you' BELIEVE is true?"

Age. buddy. he wouldn't have said it unless he thought it wuz true. it goes without saying. you don't have to aks him if what he says he believes is what he believes, unless he is under suspicion of lying. but in that case, it would be futile to aks a liar if what he says next is true... hence the uselessness of aksing him and the futility of the endeavor.

Freedom is relative of course. A smarter person obviously has an easier go at it with regard to freedom.

And some use their boyish charm, turn on the smile and flattery, and they can get themselves out of tight spots.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:38 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:36 pmmost people won't agree because it is stupid. others might bother to point out that you aren't even making an argument there.

Recreational sex is always a touchy issue for degenerates who reject the consequences of sex (which is having children). This is why most won't agree; because people don't want to be ashamed of their sexual failures in life.

That's an announcement, not an argument.

It shouldn't be surprising that those who support genital mutilation of children, intentionally confusing young people that gender is "fluid", would also promote degenerate sex acts. It goes hand-in-hand. The better question is, what do they really gain from all this? Is there not a monetary aspect to exploitation of others and the masses? Shocker, there is. That's why prostitution and pornography are "industries". Thus people are generally victims of such exploitation, or perpetrators of it. Pick your poison.

Why else is there such a backlash to the idea that people should have sex, only when they want children? Who stands to gain, or lose?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:44 am That helps wake rare souls up to their condition; I am not under the delusion though that the masses can or want to wake up. Few can handle, or would even want to, the weight of responsibility that freedom brings. The freer you are, the more you are forced to understand the conditions of that freedom. "With great power, comes great responsibility".

I think the best avenues for freedom in the future, is to open up new frontier spaces and societies, through space exploration and colonization.

On Earth, humanity will be fighting more and more for fewer scraps and crumbs for millenniums to come. The methods of mind-control and manipulation are already becoming more sophisticated, with artificial intelligence, and offering ever newer and more powerful forms of hedonism and pleasure-seeking. Asceticism is necessary to avoid this. Just say 'No' to drugs? Just say 'No' to the "metaVerse"...

The masses are unfree as you rightly describe not because they are biologically so but because political/religious regimes have conspired to make them so.

Religious-political elites are not more intelligent or more soulful they are just more bossy and more selfish.
Iranian people are currently rebelling against theirs.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:21 amThe masses are unfree as you rightly describe not because they are biologically so but because political/religious regimes have conspired to make them so.

Religious-political elites are not more intelligent or more soulful they are just more bossy and more selfish.
Iranian people are currently rebelling against theirs.

Persian women want more expression, independence, and power, when they like other women in the Eastern hemisphere receive Western media, movies, television, etc.

On one hand, yes, they should gain freedom and power. On the other hand, look at the inevitable(?) consequences...transexuality, children mutilating their bodies, rampant abortion, etc.

They should be careful what they wish for. A battle for tradition is beginning to unfold throughout the world. Which traditions, cultures, and oldest values are worth preserving in a rapidly changing Postmodernity? Can any survive? Beware toppling the wrong statues, lest people destroy the foundation of their own greatness.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:32 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:21 amThe masses are unfree as you rightly describe not because they are biologically so but because political/religious regimes have conspired to make them so.

Religious-political elites are not more intelligent or more soulful they are just more bossy and more selfish.
Iranian people are currently rebelling against theirs.

Persian women want more expression, independence, and power, when they like other women in the Eastern hemisphere receive Western media, movies, television, etc.

On one hand, yes, they should gain freedom and power. On the other hand, look at the inevitable(?) consequences...transexuality, children mutilating their bodies, rampant abortion, etc.

They should be careful what they wish for. A battle for tradition is beginning to unfold throughout the world. Which traditions, cultures, and oldest values are worth preserving in a rapidly changing Postmodernity? Can any survive? Beware toppling the wrong statues, lest people destroy the foundation of their own greatness.

You are not seeing it at all.
You are a cheerleader for Iranian girls but apply your own prejudice upon westerner wanting to express themselves in their own way.
It's none of your business if a person wants to change sex. It does you no harm.
I am sure that the Ayatollahs also think as you do, that they are being harmed in some way too.
You are a walking contradiction.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:45 amYou are not seeing it at all.
You are a cheerleader for Iranian girls but apply your own prejudice upon westerner wanting to express themselves in their own way.
It's none of your business if a person wants to change sex. It does you no harm.
I am sure that the Ayatollahs also think as you do, that they are being harmed in some way too.
You are a walking contradiction.

It does harm me and others.

I would not want my prepubescent or teenage daughter sharing a bathroom with these degenerates.

Eventually I cannot share a society with them, and them not with me. I'd prefer to have it my way over yours.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:32 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:21 amThe masses are unfree as you rightly describe not because they are biologically so but because political/religious regimes have conspired to make them so.

Religious-political elites are not more intelligent or more soulful they are just more bossy and more selfish.
Iranian people are currently rebelling against theirs.

Persian women want more expression, independence, and power, when they like other women in the Eastern hemisphere receive Western media, movies, television, etc.

On one hand, yes, they should gain freedom and power. On the other hand, look at the inevitable(?) consequences...transexuality, children mutilating their bodies, rampant abortion, etc.

They should be careful what they wish for. A battle for tradition is beginning to unfold throughout the world. Which traditions, cultures, and oldest values are worth preserving in a rapidly changing Postmodernity? Can any survive? Beware toppling the wrong statues, lest people destroy the foundation of their own greatness.

The Ayatollahs are not traditionalists they are a dictatorial and literalist elite. Some traditions of Islam need to be modernised so the words of the Holy Prophet are embedded in history. The Koran on the treatment of women was an improvement on what had preceded it in Arabia .

Postmodernity is a dead end. There is no substantial "battle for tradition". It's the institutions of modernity, preferably Enlightenment modernity, that will overcome the evils of people not knowing who they are or what they want their purpose to be.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:45 amIt does you no harm.

https://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-loud ... 13442.html

National Review
Judge Rules Loudoun County Teen Sexually Assaulted Female Student in Girls’ Bathroom
Caroline Downey
October 26, 2021·2 min read

Ruling on a the case that has seized national attention and reinvigorated debate over parental rights in public education, a Virginia juvenile court judge concluded Monday that a transgender teenager sexually assaulted a female student in a Loudoun County high school in May.

Chief Judge Pamela L. Brooks found there was sufficient evidence to determine the individual guilty of sexual assault.

The decision comes after the Daily Wire spoke to the victim’s father, who said the male student forcibly sodomized his ninth-grade daughter in a school bathroom while wearing a skirt. When the father attempted to describe and protest the incident at a local school-board meeting, he was arrested for disorderly conduct, allowing the sexual abuse to stay underground for months.

After the assault, the perpetrator was transferred to another school where he allegedly assaulted a second female student in early October.

In the interim, the Loudoun County School Board passed a sweeping gender-inclusivity policy allowing students to use restrooms and locker rooms, as well as compete in sports, according to their gender identity rather than biological sex.

The particularly heinous part,

"After the assault, the perpetrator was transferred to another school where he allegedly assaulted a second female student in early October."

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:59 amThe Ayatollahs are not traditionalists they are a dictatorial and literalist elite. Some traditions of Islam need to be modernised so the words of the Holy Prophet are embedded in history. The Koran on the treatment of women was an improvement on what had preceded it in Arabia .

Postmodernity is a dead end. There is no substantial "battle for tradition". It's the institutions of modernity, preferably Enlightenment modernity, that will overcome the evils of people not knowing who they are or what they want their purpose to be.

I don't know where you live. But here in the United States, the battle rages daily over Enlightenment values, particularly those repealing free speech, censoring others, de-personing, de-platforming, de-banking, etc. This battle over free speech is coming. It is global, as you demonstrated in Iran and with Persian women. China has the Great Firewall, on their own internet, blocking outside influence into their tradition, culture, and people.

Do you allow your children to watch pornography? No?? Then you agree with me.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:46 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:00 pmFirstly, and just so that we are ALL AWARE here, "wizard22's" PRESUMPTION of what my views are around 'this' is TOTALLY Wrong.

Secondly, 'training', teaching, guidance, and showing IS NEEDED, 'discipline' IS NOT.

And, let us NOT FORGET that UNTIL CLARITY IS SOUGHT OUT and OBTAINED, FIRST, ALL ASSUMPTIONS made by ANY of 'you' could be False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect.

You obviously have a fixation on 'Discipline'.

Since it was 'you' who BROUGHT UP the 'discipline' word in this thread, AND it is 'you' who is continuing to talk about 'discipline' here now, then it could be also SAID and ARGUED that it is 'you', "wizard22", who has a fixation on 'discipline'.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:46 am Were you abused or humiliated through your disciplining as a child?

You could NOT even name a human being who was NOT abused and NOT humiliated through 'discipline' as a child, and be Correct.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:46 am Most children grow up and leave that past behind.

LOL If only 'you' knew "wizard22". If only 'you' KNEW.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:46 am When you're a child, you may not understand why you are being punished.

This is because there is NO 'justification' for PUNISHING another human being, especially a young and Truly powerless human being.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:46 am That's up to the quality of the parent.

'you' say this like parents have some sort of 'right' to PUNISH children.

Which is even MORE Wrong and ABSURD seeing it in written words than it was BEFORE when it was just in 'thought' alone.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:46 am Not all will have high quality parenting as children; by definition few will.

VERY, VERY True.

Some parents/adults actually think and BELIEVE that PUNISHING defenseless and vulnerable children is a NECESSARY part of Life, and some thing that is actually NEEDED. The ones who think or BELIEVE this have NOT YET grown up from their OWN childhood. Some even ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ALL children NEED discipline, and thus PUNISHMENT, and some ALSO BELIEVE that some children NEED more discipline/punishment than others do. And, they 'TRY' their HARDEST to "justify", but, OBVIOUSLY, NO one could 'justify' the PUNISHING of children. The 'world' would be a MUCH BETTER place to live in if the three words of 'discipline', 'punishment', and 'children' were NEVER used together in a sentence. Unless, of course, the words NEVER or NOT were included in some particular way or another.

Some parents/adults also even BELIEVE that infants and children are MENACES, and that they WILL bully and steal from each-other if they are NOT disciplined and PUNISHED.

Which, in fact, can be SEEN AS the WORST KIND OF BULLY, and of STEALING a child's INNOCENCE, ITSELF.

For an actual GROWN ADULT to think or BELIEVE that infants and children are MENACES, and that these VERY YOUNG and INNOCENT children NEED to be PUNISHED, could NOT get to be MORE of a BULLY ATTITUDE, itself.

And what is REALLY DISTURBING is that there were PLENTY of adult human beings, back in those REALLY OLD DAYS when this was being written, who REALLY DID BELIEVE that children NEEDED to be PUNISHED. I have even heard it directly from a psychologist who questioned me about this issue with; "How else are children going to learn if they are not made to feel BAD for what they do?"

Adult human beings, back in those days, had be SO OBVIOUSLY and SO SEVERELY ABUSED in their childhoods that they had 'grown up' BELIEVING that they HAD TO PUNISH children, as AGAIN proved True in this thread and forum.