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uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:59 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:00 amAlso "uwot", when you are finished with your line of questioning here I would like to see your come back if I answered yes to your; "Is it impossible that there is an actual number of stars in the universe?" question.

Since you clearly understand the question, my line of questioning here is finished.

You OBVIOUSLY added the 'moment' word, intentionally or unintentionally. Either way doing so CHANGED everything we WERE talking about and discussing.

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:59 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:00 amBecause I could probably counter that response anyway.

Well Age, if you never answer the question, you'll never know.

And, if you did NOT add deceptive words, then I would have ALREADY answered.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:28 amAnd, if you did NOT add deceptive words, then I would have ALREADY answered.

Age, you haven't answered because you have no idea what you are talking about. What you are doing is bog standard evasion. Here is what the wikipedia page on Evasion says:"Peter Bull identified the following evasion techniques for answering questions: ... Questioning the question by: requesting clarification" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evasion_( ... on_dodging
In many circumstances, a bullshitter only has to bullshit for a certain length of time; for example in parliamentary debates or television interviews. You Age, you poor sausage, are stuck in a medium for which the only time limit on a debate is the inevitable death of one of us. Let me remind of this exchange:

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:03 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:21 am

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:19 amIs it impossible that there is an actual number of stars in the universe?

No, not at all.

Just as long as you are aware that that number could also NEVER be fixed.

Why not?

It's a perfectly straightforward question to which you replied:

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:03 amThe answer will depend on what part of my response exactly your clarifying question here is referring to.

You apparently believe that future readers will agree with you. My prediction is that future readers, should anyone be so unfortunate as to stumble upon this torture, will think exactly as people reading today do; none of it flatters you.
There is a solution; just answer the question: Why can the number of stars in the universe "NEVER be fixed"?

What do the women say?

Better late than never??

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:28 amAnd, if you did NOT add deceptive words, then I would have ALREADY answered.

Age, you haven't answered because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Let us NEVER forget this BELIEF and CLAIM of YOURS here.

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:20 am What you are doing is bog standard evasion. Here is what the wikipedia page on Evasion says:"Peter Bull identified the following evasion techniques for answering questions: ... Questioning the question by: requesting clarification" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evasion_( ... on_dodging

And let us NEVER FORGET that I have been continually REMINDING you people here in this forum that I have answered nearly EVERY questioned posed to me, and that it is you people who have only on the VERY RAREST OF OCCASIONS answered my questions posed to you. Who,EXACTLY, has been evading here can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVEN.

When my discussions are read this IS CLEARLY SEEN, and thus WILL BE PROVEN True.

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:20 am In many circumstances, a bullshitter only has to bullshit for a certain length of time; for example in parliamentary debates or television interviews. You Age, you poor sausage, are stuck in a medium for which the only time limit on a debate is the inevitable death of one of us.

I would NOT be so HASTY with your "you poor sausage" conclusion and remark. For who, exactly, has been evading will become CRYSTAL CLEAR.

I have NOT, so called, "bullshitted" ANYWHERE in this forum. So, these writings can be read LONG AFTER 'you' can NOT anymore, and what will be found to be ALREADY PROVEN True is that, contrary to popular BELIEF, I have NOT "bullshitted" here.

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:20 am Let me remind of this exchange:

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:03 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:21 amNo, not at all.

Just as long as you are aware that that number could also NEVER be fixed.

Why not?

It's a perfectly straightforward question to which you replied:

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:03 amThe answer will depend on what part of my response exactly your clarifying question here is referring to.

All I did was just seek CLARIFICATION about which part where you asking "Why not?" to, BEFORE I responded.

For all I KNEW you could have been asking me, "Why is it not at all impossible that there is an actual number of stars in the universe?

Without CLARIFICATION I would NEVER KNOW, FOR SURE. and, as has already been PROVEN True ASSUMING leads 'you', human beings ASTRAY.

So, if you REALLY had NOT worked out earlier, NOW you KNOW what ACTUALLY took place. I was just gaining clarification so that I could provide you with the 'right' answer, because if I gave you some other answer, then I could have then been judged and classed as; "I do NOT know what I am talking about", ONCE AGAIN.

Also, BEFORE we get to DISTRACTED by YOUR version of "truth", now would be a good time to REMIND the readers that if you had just asked, from the outset, something like; "Why can the number of stars in the universe NEVER be fixed?", then I could have, and would have, ACTUALLY answered your question A LONG TIME AGO.

Also let us REMIND the readers now that you added the 'moment' word, which can put a WHOLE DIFFERENT twist on what was just a very straightforward question.

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:20 am You apparently believe that future readers will agree with you.

Well what is "apparent" to you here is CLEARLY, and plain old just OBVIOUSLY, False, Wrong, and Incorrect.

What ANY reader can CLEARLY SEE, that is; if they are NOT fooled by your DECEPTIVE tactics, is that I CLEARLY do NOT believe this.

My prediction is that future readers, should anyone be so unfortunate as to stumble upon this torture, will think exactly as people reading today do; none of it flatters you.[/quote]

LOL So, to you, future to your human beings' thinking, in the days when this was written, will NOT evolve and so just REMAIN how it is to you people in the past. Something like the ones who BELIEVED that the sun revolves around the earth would have THOUGHT that future readers/people will think EXACTLY as people of that day did. Just how NARROWED or CLOSED thinking this is is BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS.

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:20 amThere is a solution; just answer the question: Why can the number of stars in the universe "NEVER be fixed"?

What do you mean, "There is a solution"? What do you think is 'the problem' here?

Why can the numberof stars in the Universe NEVER be fixed is very simply just because stars are, so called, "born", and "die".

Now did you have A POINT here?

If yes, then what is it?

Also, what would your reply be if I say that it is impossible that there is an actual number of stars in the universe?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:58 am

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:20 amAge, you haven't answered because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Let us NEVER forget this BELIEF and CLAIM of YOURS here.

For as long as you provide evidence confirming it, I am unlikely to. Here's a chance to prove me wrong:

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:58 amWhy can the numberof stars in the Universe NEVER be fixed is very simply just because stars are, so called, "born", and "die".

Now did you have A POINT here?

If the universe is infinite and eternal, why hasn't the hydrogen that stars fuse run out?

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:34 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:58 am

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:20 amAge, you haven't answered because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Let us NEVER forget this BELIEF and CLAIM of YOURS here.

For as long as you provide evidence confirming it, I am unlikely to.

LOL

I have ALREADY TOLD you the VERY READON WHY I had NOT answered your question PREVIOUSLY.

So, YOUR CLAIM here does NOT even logically follow. Let alone even resemble what thee ACTUAL Truth IS.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:34 am Here's a chance to prove me wrong:

Let us NOT FORGET that you have NOT proved your CLAIMS either, and until you do this could MEAN that you have ABSOLUTELY NO idea in regards to what you are talking about.

See, if, and WHEN, it is PROVEN that thee Universe is ACTUALLY infinite AND eternal, then what will this ACTUALLY MEAN? Will this MEAN that 'I' or 'you' had NO clue in regards to what is being talking about here?

We await your Honest reply here.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:34 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:58 amWhy can the numberof stars in the Universe NEVER be fixed is very simply just because stars are, so called, "born", and "die".

Now did you have A POINT here?

If the universe is infinite and eternal, why hasn't the hydrogen that stars fuse run out?

I could ask you, If the Universe is finite and temporal, where did hydrogen come from? But would any answer you give PROVE that the Universe ACTUALLY began and is expanding?

Anyhow, the reason why the hydrogen in the Universe will NOT run out is for the same reason about three quarters of the Universe is hydrogen in the days when this was written. That is, the things that cause or create the existing hydrogen, which you are experiencing right 'now', is also creating or causing hydrogen RIGHT-NOW.

Which can be very easily explained. That is; IF you do NOT JUMP to making MORE ASSUMPTIONS, ONCE AGAIN.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:50 am

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:34 amIf the universe is infinite and eternal, why hasn't the hydrogen that stars fuse run out?

I could ask you, If the Universe is finite and temporal, where did hydrogen come from? But would any answer you give PROVE that the Universe ACTUALLY began and is expanding?

No Age; we've gone through this. No evidence that I nor anyone else could provide would prove that the universe began and is expanding, but the evidence supports that hypothesis. That evidence has lead to predictions, which have inspired experiments which in turn have produced results consistent with the predictions. There is a mechanism for creating matter which is understood and routinely demonstrated in particle accelerators. It is absolutely true that the origin of the universe, the cause of the big bang, is a complete mystery but a huge amount of what happened after the first fraction of a second has been simulated. There is a mountain of evidence. And then there is this:

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:50 amAnyhow, the reason why the hydrogen in the Universe will NOT run out is for the same reason about three quarters of the Universe is hydrogen in the days when this was written. That is, the things that cause or create the existing hydrogen, which you are experiencing right 'now', is also creating or causing hydrogen RIGHT-NOW.

Which can be very easily explained. That is; IF you do NOT JUMP to making MORE ASSUMPTIONS, ONCE AGAIN.

Anything can be explained easily if the level of explanation is easy. If you had any idea what you were talking about, you would have at least some inkling as to what "the things that cause or create the existing hydrogen" are. You haven't got a clue, have you?

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:28 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:24 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:54 am

I will ask 'you', AGAIN, "flashdangerpants",
Did I predict future "generations" EVERY time?

Fuck knows, if I see a thread where you are arguing with Eggnog7 and Vagianl Aquafresh I'm not going to bother reading that shit, I cba with three crack babies all at once, so I have no idea what boasts you have made in conversation with those chumps, let alone whether you mentioned generations at the time.

But I did originaly ask whether you had a verified prediction that wasn't unimpressive shit. So if all you have is the prediction that your future self would still be writing gnomic junk, and future me or future uwot would still be holding you to account for stuff you had written, you have failed on shitness part instead of failing on the generations part.

If you say and BELIEVE so.

well, that's tricky really.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:40 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:58 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:53 pm

WHAT???

WHERE, WHEN, HOW, and WHY did you JUMP to this ASSUMPTION here?

I was right.

It wasn't a difficult to predict that you would have no acutal information about the future.

I ALREADY INFORMED 'you' of HOW I have ALREADY PROVEN HOW I KNEW what would happen, in the future.

And, I ALREADY TOLD you that I have ALREADY DONE THIS but you HAD MISSED THIS.

Are you REALLY just going to SIT there, BELIEVING what you ALREADY ASSUME is TRUE, without EVER making ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION?

If so, GREAT.

My POINT is PROVED ONCE AGAIN.

So. After a lot of evasion we're back to this. You claim to have ALREADY PROVEN HOW I KNEW what would happen, in the future. but you had to water that down from big talk about future generations, to just lukewarm nonsense that doesn't in any way demonstrate supernatural powers.

And that means that your stuff about future generations, which is a prediction you have made, is unsuvbstantiated. A thing you hold to be true but cannot actually show to be true, and have not actually witnessed. By definition, that's a belief.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:26 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:50 am

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:34 amIf the universe is infinite and eternal, why hasn't the hydrogen that stars fuse run out?

I could ask you, If the Universe is finite and temporal, where did hydrogen come from? But would any answer you give PROVE that the Universe ACTUALLY began and is expanding?

No Age; we've gone through this. No evidence that I nor anyone else could provide would prove that the universe began and is expanding,

Besides the FACT that you are more or less just STATING here that there ACTUALLY IS NO proof NOR evidence for the GUESS, ASSUMPTION, and/or BELIEF that the Universe could have began and is expanding anyway, that there is NO ACTUAL PROOF that the Universe began NOR is expanding is the REAL reason WHY 'you', human beings, could NEVER provide ANY ACTUAL evidence that would prove that the Universe began and is expanding.

Let us now LOOK AT what IS thee ACTUAL Truth of things here, 'you', human beings, have NOT even been able to provide just how a beginning and expanding Universe 'could even be' a POSSIBILITY, let alone 'is' a POSSIBILITY, let alone IS an ACTUALITY.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:26 ambut the evidence supports that hypothesis.

LOL we have gone through this ALREADY.

OF COURSE the, so called, "evidence" "supports", the HYPOTHESIS. The HYPOTHESIS exists, ONLY, because of the red shift data, which is what is called "evidence", for the HYPOTHESIS.

One could also just as easily claim that the hypothesis that the Universe is shrinking is supported by the evidence, which is the blue shifted data.

See, when 'you', human beings, were using instruments, which obviously can only see a certain distance, and of that distance what could only observed was galactic blue shift, then what 'you' would have quickly jumped to is the assumption, and thus the hypothesis, that the Universe is contracting. Which, when challenged and/or questioned about, 'you' would use the same lame, so called, "reasoning" that you are doing here now, which is; "the evidence supports that hypothesis".

Now, with more advanced instruments 'you' became able to see further afield, and what 'you' observe is far more galaxies are red shifted than are blue shifted, which 'you' then quickly jumped to the assumption, and thus the hypothesis, that actually 'now' the Universe is expanding, which again is now, supposedly, "supported by the "new" evidence". But what 'you' all forget is that you are ONLY LOOKING AT a very NARROWED and very SMALL field or perspective of things.

'you' are all NOT LOOKING AT thee WHOLE and FULL Picture, and thus 'you' are NOT SEEING the WHOLE and FULL, True, Picture of things.

Thee ACTUAL Truth of things is supported by FACTS, which, in turn, are things backed up and supported by what is already KNOWN or already PROVED True.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:26 amThat evidence has lead to predictions, which have inspired experiments which in turn have produced results consistent with the predictions.

LOL Here is a CLASSIC CASE of CONFIRMATION BIAS, at its BEST.

Also, let us NOT forget that depending on one's own views actual 'proof' can outweigh 'evidence' EVERY time.

Furthermore, evidence that leads to just a 'prediction' NEVER means that the 'prediction' is true, right, NOR correct, NOR even being close to being True, right, not correct.

Now, you CLAIM here that the 'prediction' has inspired experiments, which, in turn, have produced results consisent with the predictions, so explain what experiments, exactly, have been performed, which, supposedly, produced results that were consistent with the 'prediction' that the Universe began and IS EXPANDING.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:26 amThere is a mechanism for creating matter which is understood and routinely demonstrated in particle accelerators.

So what?

What has this got to do with absolutely ANY thing in regards to what we were discussing here?

And if what I think you are 'trying to' say and claim here is correct, then this can be countered or refuted anyway.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:26 am It is absolutely true that the origin of the universe, the cause of the big bang, is a complete mystery but a huge amount of what happened after the first fraction of a second has been simulated.

LOL But it might well be a mystery to 'you', but it is certainly NOT a mystery to EVERY one.

Let me remind you AGAIN, once you rid "yourself" of ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, COMPLETELY, then being able to SEE thee ACTUAL Truth of things becomes almost instantaneous.

Also, EXACTLY just HOW MUCH you are completely and utterly BIASED by your OWN DISTORTED views and beliefs can be CLEARLY SEEN in just the first half of your quoted sentence here.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:26 am There is a mountain of evidence.

LOL

If you BELIEVE and SAY SO, then 'it is so', correct?

Also, it would NOT matter how many "mountains" of 'evidence' you still have absolutely NO 'proof' AT all for the 'prediction' that the Universe began and IS EXPANDING. And, 'proof'is what I have been asking you for.

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:26 amAnd then there is this:

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:50 amAnyhow, the reason why the hydrogen in the Universe will NOT run out is for the same reason about three quarters of the Universe is hydrogen in the days when this was written. That is, the things that cause or create the existing hydrogen, which you are experiencing right 'now', is also creating or causing hydrogen RIGHT-NOW.

Which can be very easily explained. That is; IF you do NOT JUMP to making MORE ASSUMPTIONS, ONCE AGAIN.

Anything can be explained easily if the level of explanation is easy. If you had any idea what you were talking about, you would have at least some inkling as to what "the things that cause or create the existing hydrogen" are.

WHY do you PRESUME I do NOT?

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:26 am You haven't got a clue, have you?

LOL

If this what you VERY QUICKLY jumped to ASSUMING, and/or BELIEVE is true, then this is 'what IS TRUE, to you', correct?

The VERY REASON WHY I wrote what I did, the way I did, is so that you would do, EXACTLY, what you just did, here.

Also, if you knew what the things are that cause or create hydrogen, and made CLARIFICATION, FIRST, BEFORE you JUMPED to making MORE ASSUMPTIONS, ONCE AGAIN, then you could have ALREADY learned what I ACTUALLY ALREADY DO KNOW.

But please feel FREE to carry on the way you are now, and have been.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:28 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:24 pm
Fuck knows, if I see a thread where you are arguing with Eggnog7 and Vagianl Aquafresh I'm not going to bother reading that shit, I cba with three crack babies all at once, so I have no idea what boasts you have made in conversation with those chumps, let alone whether you mentioned generations at the time.

But I did originaly ask whether you had a verified prediction that wasn't unimpressive shit. So if all you have is the prediction that your future self would still be writing gnomic junk, and future me or future uwot would still be holding you to account for stuff you had written, you have failed on shitness part instead of failing on the generations part.

If you say and BELIEVE so.

well, that's tricky really.

Really, WHY?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:40 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:58 pm
I was right.

It wasn't a difficult to predict that you would have no acutal information about the future.

I ALREADY INFORMED 'you' of HOW I have ALREADY PROVEN HOW I KNEW what would happen, in the future.

And, I ALREADY TOLD you that I have ALREADY DONE THIS but you HAD MISSED THIS.

Are you REALLY just going to SIT there, BELIEVING what you ALREADY ASSUME is TRUE, without EVER making ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION?

If so, GREAT.

My POINT is PROVED ONCE AGAIN.

So. After a lot of evasion we're back to this. You claim to have ALREADY PROVEN HOW I KNEW what would happen, in the future. but you had to water that down from big talk about future generations, to just lukewarm nonsense that doesn't in any way demonstrate supernatural powers.

Are you seriously STILL REALLY MISSING what has taken place here.

i had, what you call, "predicted the future", by stating that 'future generations' AND 'future peoples' will read what is written here in this forum. You then asked me to provide proof that my "prediction" is true. The FACT that you brought forward our writings, from this forum from over two years ago, and 'future peoples' are NOW reading that, then this PROVES 'future peoples' have ALREADY PROVED my 'predictions'. Now, you want to claim that I used the words 'future generations', which OBVIOUSLY I ALREADY HAD. But because to 'future generations' have NOT YET come about, then my 'prediction' regards 'future generations' reading what is written in this forum can NOT be PROVEN, YET. But, as I have ALREADY SAID and SHOWN, 'future peoples' have ALREADY PROVED True my past 'predictions' over two years ago.

Can you now UNDERSTAND this. Or, are you STILL somewhat CONFUSED?

Besides ALL of this I have NEVER even suggest ANY thing about having "supernatural powers", let alone talked about ANY thing like that. That was and is all just some DELUSION you have.

And that means that your stuff about future generations, which is a prediction you have made, is unsuvbstantiated. [/quote]

OF COURSE it is. I NEVER even suggested that I had substantiated ANY thing in regards to 'future generations'. You KEEP MISSING and/or MISUNDERSTANDING what I have been SAYING, and MEANING. Although what I have been ACTUALLY been SAYING, is here, CLEARLY WRITTEN, for ALL to SEE.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:15 am A thing you hold to be true but cannot actually show to be true, and have not actually witnessed. By definition, that's a belief.

LOL

If that is THE definition that you want to USE, then that is PERFECTLY FINE with me.

By the way, and just out of curiosity, have you got ANY thing REALLY that you want to express or share here with 'us'?

If yes, then what is 'that', EXACTLY?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:56 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:56 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:15 am

well, that's tricky really.

Really, WHY?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:15 am
So. After a lot of evasion we're back to this. You claim to have ALREADY PROVEN HOW I KNEW what would happen, in the future. but you had to water that down from big talk about future generations, to just lukewarm nonsense that doesn't in any way demonstrate supernatural powers.

Are you seriously STILL REALLY MISSING what has taken place here.

i had, what you call, "predicted the future", by stating that 'future generations' AND 'future peoples' will read what is written here in this forum. You then asked me to provide proof that my "prediction" is true. The FACT that you brought forward our writings, from this forum from over two years ago, and 'future peoples' are NOW reading that, then this PROVES 'future peoples' have ALREADY PROVED my 'predictions'. Now, you want to claim that I used the words 'future generations', which OBVIOUSLY I ALREADY HAD. But because to 'future generations' have NOT YET come about, then my 'prediction' regards 'future generations' reading what is written in this forum can NOT be PROVEN, YET. But, as I have ALREADY SAID and SHOWN, 'future peoples' have ALREADY PROVED True my past 'predictions' over two years ago.

Can you now UNDERSTAND this. Or, are you STILL somewhat CONFUSED?

Besides ALL of this I have NEVER even suggest ANY thing about having "supernatural powers", let alone talked about ANY thing like that. That was and is all just some DELUSION you have.

And that means that your stuff about future generations, which is a prediction you have made, is unsuvbstantiated.

OF COURSE it is. I NEVER even suggested that I had substantiated ANY thing in regards to 'future generations'. You KEEP MISSING and/or MISUNDERSTANDING what I have been SAYING, and MEANING. Although what I have been ACTUALLY been SAYING, is here, CLEARLY WRITTEN, for ALL to SEE.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:15 am A thing you hold to be true but cannot actually show to be true, and have not actually witnessed. By definition, that's a belief.

LOL

If that is THE definition that you want to USE, then that is PERFECTLY FINE with me.

By the way, and just out of curiosity, have you got ANY thing REALLY that you want to express or share here with 'us'?

If yes, then what is 'that', EXACTLY?

Cool. So we have established that you have on multiple occasions claimed that your writings here are of such importance that future generations will want to read them here. We've established that you have no evidence that this is true. And we've therefore established that your regular claims not to believe anything are untrue because your future predictions are nothing more than a belief.

We're kinda done now Ken.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:56 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:56 am

Really, WHY?


Are you seriously STILL REALLY MISSING what has taken place here.

i had, what you call, "predicted the future", by stating that 'future generations' AND 'future peoples' will read what is written here in this forum. You then asked me to provide proof that my "prediction" is true. The FACT that you brought forward our writings, from this forum from over two years ago, and 'future peoples' are NOW reading that, then this PROVES 'future peoples' have ALREADY PROVED my 'predictions'. Now, you want to claim that I used the words 'future generations', which OBVIOUSLY I ALREADY HAD. But because to 'future generations' have NOT YET come about, then my 'prediction' regards 'future generations' reading what is written in this forum can NOT be PROVEN, YET. But, as I have ALREADY SAID and SHOWN, 'future peoples' have ALREADY PROVED True my past 'predictions' over two years ago.

Can you now UNDERSTAND this. Or, are you STILL somewhat CONFUSED?

Besides ALL of this I have NEVER even suggest ANY thing about having "supernatural powers", let alone talked about ANY thing like that. That was and is all just some DELUSION you have.

And that means that your stuff about future generations, which is a prediction you have made, is unsuvbstantiated.

OF COURSE it is. I NEVER even suggested that I had substantiated ANY thing in regards to 'future generations'. You KEEP MISSING and/or MISUNDERSTANDING what I have been SAYING, and MEANING. Although what I have been ACTUALLY been SAYING, is here, CLEARLY WRITTEN, for ALL to SEE.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:15 am A thing you hold to be true but cannot actually show to be true, and have not actually witnessed. By definition, that's a belief.

LOL

If that is THE definition that you want to USE, then that is PERFECTLY FINE with me.

By the way, and just out of curiosity, have you got ANY thing REALLY that you want to express or share here with 'us'?

If yes, then what is 'that', EXACTLY?

Cool. So we have established that you have on multiple occasions claimed that your writings here are of such importance that future generations will want to read them here.

LOL

This is what YOU have ESTABLISHED, and NOT what I have ESTABLISHED.

Is this UNDERSTOOD?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am We've established that you have no evidence that this is true.

LOL
LOL

YOU are just getting FURTHER and FURTHER AWAY from thee ACTUAL Truth.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am And we've therefore established that your regular claims not to believe anything are untrue because your future predictions are nothing more than a belief.

LOL
LOL
LOL

Who and/or what this 'we' refers to, I am UNAWARE of.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am We're kinda done now Ken.

HOPEFULLY.

Also, I thought you would 'run away' when you were CHALLENGED and QUESTIONED in regards to If you actually had ANY thing REALLY that you wanted to express and share here with 'us'.

So, if you have NOT got ANY thing REALLY to SAY and SHARE here, then HOPEFULLY 'we' are DONE.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:20 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:56 am

OF COURSE it is. I NEVER even suggested that I had substantiated ANY thing in regards to 'future generations'. You KEEP MISSING and/or MISUNDERSTANDING what I have been SAYING, and MEANING. Although what I have been ACTUALLY been SAYING, is here, CLEARLY WRITTEN, for ALL to SEE.


LOL

If that is THE definition that you want to USE, then that is PERFECTLY FINE with me.

By the way, and just out of curiosity, have you got ANY thing REALLY that you want to express or share here with 'us'?

If yes, then what is 'that', EXACTLY?

Cool. So we have established that you have on multiple occasions claimed that your writings here are of such importance that future generations will want to read them here.

LOL

This is what YOU have ESTABLISHED, and NOT what I have ESTABLISHED.

But you have made that claim. So are you now denying it?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:20 am Is this UNDERSTOOD?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am We've established that you have no evidence that this is true.

LOL
LOL

YOU are just getting FURTHER and FURTHER AWAY from thee ACTUAL Truth.

You've already admitted today that you can't substantiate anything with regard to future generations.
So we aren't getting further from anything that the word truth applies to.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:20 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am And we've therefore established that your regular claims not to believe anything are untrue because your future predictions are nothing more than a belief.

LOL
LOL
LOL

Who and/or what this 'we' refers to, I am UNAWARE of.

It's an entirely normal turn of phrase. Unlike the pointless reduntant LOLs that you keep doing.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:20 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am We're kinda done now Ken.

HOPEFULLY.

Also, I thought you would 'run away' when you were CHALLENGED and QUESTIONED in regards to If you actually had ANY thing REALLY that you wanted to express and share here with 'us'.

So, if you have NOT got ANY thing REALLY to SAY and SHARE here, then HOPEFULLY 'we' are DONE.

Well, yeah, the task is complete.
Every time you say that you don't hold any beliefs, we now have an example of that being demonstrably untrue.
Not that it was worth the bother. Everybody knows it is a preposterous claim, this has not been time well spent on an important task.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:35 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:20 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am
Cool. So we have established that you have on multiple occasions claimed that your writings here are of such importance that future generations will want to read them here.

LOL

This is what YOU have ESTABLISHED, and NOT what I have ESTABLISHED.

But you have made that claim. So are you now denying it?

But I NEVER made that claim AT ALL.

Now, if you would like to PROVE me wrong, then JUST DO IT. Where did I EVER write it?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:35 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:20 am Is this UNDERSTOOD?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am We've established that you have no evidence that this is true.

LOL
LOL

YOU are just getting FURTHER and FURTHER AWAY from thee ACTUAL Truth.

You've already admitted today that you can't substantiate anything with regard to future generations.

I NEVER admitted ANY such thing.

You just KEEP GETTING FURTHER and FURTHER AWAY.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:35 am So we aren't getting further from anything that the word truth applies to.

I am NOT. But you ARE.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:35 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:20 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am And we've therefore established that your regular claims not to believe anything are untrue because your future predictions are nothing more than a belief.

LOL
LOL
LOL

Who and/or what this 'we' refers to, I am UNAWARE of.

It's an entirely normal turn of phrase.

It would NOT matter iota if it is the MOST normal turn of phrase it OBVIOUSLY can refer to MANY different things, on MANY different occasions. And, until you CLEAR up who and/or what the 'we' refers to, EXACTLY, then 'we' are UNAWARE of 'you' are referring to, EXACTLY.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:35 am Unlike the pointless reduntant LOLs that you keep doing.

LOL

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:35 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:20 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am We're kinda done now Ken.

HOPEFULLY.

Also, I thought you would 'run away' when you were CHALLENGED and QUESTIONED in regards to If you actually had ANY thing REALLY that you wanted to express and share here with 'us'.

So, if you have NOT got ANY thing REALLY to SAY and SHARE here, then HOPEFULLY 'we' are DONE.

Well, yeah, the task is complete.

GREAT.

And what was that 'task' EXACTLY?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:35 am Every time you say that you don't hold any beliefs, we now have an example of that being demonstrably untrue.

LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL
LOL

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:35 am Not that it was worth the bother. Everybody knows it is a preposterous claim, this has not been time well spent on an important task.

"EVERYBODY KNOWS" LOL, LOL, LOL.

You REALLY have COMPLETELY MISSED and MISUNDERSTOOD what has actually been happening and occurring here.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:05 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:35 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:20 am

LOL

This is what YOU have ESTABLISHED, and NOT what I have ESTABLISHED.

But you have made that claim. So are you now denying it?

But I NEVER made that claim AT ALL.

Now, if you would like to PROVE me wrong, then JUST DO IT. Where did I EVER write it?

full quote....

ken wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:45 am Most of what I write is just only in response to question what has already been written down by others, which now cannot be removed. There is a reason I used a forum like this. Obviously, if the others here do not start or not now (want to) answer My questions, then there is some reason not to. Whatever the reason is of no real concern to Me. What is important to Me, however, is what the words ARE that are actually written down, because that is what others are looking at and seeing. Others base their views upon what is seen, and not upon what is not seen. Why My questions do not get replied to will be judged upon by others later on, when the true answer is more clearly obvious to them.

From the onset I have only wanted to learn how to better express, ONLY what I want to say, and not just "fit in" with others because I will be ridiculed if I do not. My words, on purpose, do not fit in with the 'shared meaning' of "today's" language. I write in a way, which is more honest than others, to aggravate them because I learn far more from their replies this way, then I would by just fitting, in like they are. The peoples of today are still suffering from the same confusion that people have suffered for, for thousands of years. None of which is obviously becoming any clearer to them. The peoples of "today" are still unable to answer any of the meaningful questions in Life. So, of course, My "private language" was never destined to be fully, or even slightly, understood here, especially in this forum. This forum is just a stepping stone of communicating and language learning for Me, in the unobservant and unconscious way to others that I am doing it now. A learning that is done in a way that is not obvious to the others here at all. So, it could been seen as, and I have purposely been, speaking a "private language" and having a true "conversation with Thee Self. As will be noticed NOW it was NOT for the peoples of "today" to consciously recognize, but for you future generations who WILL see and understand exactly WHAT I have been doing throughout this period here, and, more importantly WHY I have been doing it. The responses given by the people here, which is coming from the unconscious 'I', of which 'you' people are NOW becoming far more aware of, is the evidence that i even unintentionally started out doing.

During My intentional learning phase of how to find the right language to better express from, I unintentionally have been producing the evidence and proof from others within their responses, and from within their non response(s), to My clarifying questioning, which can and will NOW actually be used scientifically to support My continually gaining NEW views.

The outcome, for what I propose to express, i.e., show how we call all live together in peace and harmony, IS achieving that what we all truly want and seek. If and when that is achieved, then what I am doing here WILL be recognized and acknowledged. The person who comes across this and studies this forum will now know how it all partly come about. So, this private language that 'I' am having here is actually 'Me' having a conversation with Thee (Real and True) 'Self', of which only a future generations of peoples from "today" can and WILL fully understand.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:05 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:35 am You've already admitted today that you can't substantiate anything with regard to future generations.

I NEVER admitted ANY such thing.

More quote...

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:12 am OF COURSE it is. I NEVER even suggested that I had substantiated ANY thing in regards to 'future generations'.

So ... you're sort of fucked and you are doing it to yourself.