the limits of fascism

[Immanuel Can]

Have a long hard think, Immanuel Can; when did you start using the term "cancel culture"?

Maybe I picked it up from Andrew Cuomo.

[henry quirk]

Then, as I say: define socialism then point to a successful implementation of it.

*Oh, so you are knee-jerking at a word for which you don't even have a standard definition? Hilarious!

**What is there to "implement" exactly if different people mean different things by that word?

***Humor me this: if something was defined, designed, conceptualised and called "capitalism" on paper, but once implemented one couldn't tell the difference from socialism, then... is that capitalism or socialism?

*Not me.

***Sumthin' else.

The inherently bad version of socialism you're attacking is not mine nor accepted by any self-claimed socialist i've ever met. So i find no need for a defense against your contentions.

...and...

**It's pretty easy to make up those stats when anything that fails is classified as "socialism" and anything that succeeds is classified as "not socialism".

**All this is easy to check: define socialism then point to a successful implementation of it.

Skep, Advocate?

[henry quirk]

Nope. Like our PBS (among other things), the BBC and NHS are publicly supported for but not publicly controlled.

Taxpayers foot the bill, but someone else calls the shots.

If that's the grounds on which you dismiss the example as "that's not socialism" , then none of your favourites (Cuba, Venezuela, USSR, Vietnam, North Korea, China etc.) were socialist.

Least you want to explain to us how exactly the average joe in any of those hellholes was "calling the shots".

*If "public control" is a necessary property of socialism then there never have been any socialist countries. Ever. You know... "That's wasn't true socialism"

*You mebbe want read the exchange again cuz you got it all backwards.

[henry quirk]

If you dislike slavery, how about theft instead?

good value: more like only option.

Hobson's choice.

As it happens both the BBC and NHS are under constant pressure from the Conservative Party who would like nothing better than to sell them off to the highest bidder. The fact that they haven't yet done so is because either move would be deeply unpopular with the electorate. We have plenty of choices, but most of us choose to keep the BBC and NHS and have to struggle to do so. So no, theft is not a term I would use for paying for something that you think is good value.

Can a *person decline to pay the fees or taxes funding the BBC and NHS?




*Brit? Britisher? What's the proper term?

[Sculptor]

Also, those of you who decry socialism never account for how bad the alternative would likely have been.

Extreme right wing politics gave us: the KKK, Racism, slavery and Hitler

Actually, the Democrats were the party of the South,

They were right wing. There was no left wing except amongst the abolishionists.

[Sculptor]

However, I'm curious about the new term "woke supremacy," which is now becoming current.

But you're now out of step with the "cancel culture" of the Left.

Have a long hard think, Immanuel Can; when did you start using the term "cancel culture"? My guess is after hearing it four or five times on Fox News or some other right wing network. Once "woke supremacy" has reverberated around your right wing echo chamber a few times, you will be applying it to anyone to the left of Adolf Hitler with the same casual aplomb.

Cancel culture is yet another right wing myth like "cultural marxism". Such concepts only exist to disguise the cancellations and draconian measures of the right.

[Immanuel Can]

They were right wing. There was no left wing except amongst the abolishionists.

You've got it anachronistic now.

There was no Socialism at all, not even among the abolitionists. It hadn't been invented yet. But there were slave owners; and every single one of them was a Democrat. And there came to be a KKK, which was again 100% Democrat.

[Immanuel Can]

Cancel culture is yet another right wing myth like "cultural marxism".

Andrew Cuomo believes in cancel culture. He thinks it's come for him. And "Cultural Marxism" is actually a flag of the Left, not an invention of the right. As for "woke supremacy," I Don Lemmon of CNN was using the phrase this morning, complaining he didn't like being it. And as for "race," the only people who even talk about it nowadays are on the Left. The rest of us have grown up and moved on, pretty much like MLK wanted us to.

[Skepdick]

Then, as I say: define socialism then point to a successful implementation of it.

*Oh, so you are knee-jerking at a word for which you don't even have a standard definition? Hilarious!

**What is there to "implement" exactly if different people mean different things by that word?

***Humor me this: if something was defined, designed, conceptualised and called "capitalism" on paper, but once implemented one couldn't tell the difference from socialism, then... is that capitalism or socialism?

*Not me.

***Sumthin' else.

The inherently bad version of socialism you're attacking is not mine nor accepted by any self-claimed socialist i've ever met. So i find no need for a defense against your contentions.

...and...

**It's pretty easy to make up those stats when anything that fails is classified as "socialism" and anything that succeeds is classified as "not socialism".

**All this is easy to check: define socialism then point to a successful implementation of it.

Skep, Advocate?

OK... if the criterion for "socialism" is owning the means of production and "people having a say", then the USA is a socialist country.

[Sculptor]

They were right wing. There was no left wing except amongst the abolishionists.

You've got it anachronistic now.

There was no Socialism at all, not even among the abolitionists.

Then why did you make that claim by accusing Democrats of being slavers.

[Sculptor]

Cancel culture is yet another right wing myth like "cultural marxism".

Andrew Cuomo believes in cancel culture. He thinks it's come for him.

Please cite

[Immanuel Can]

Then why did you make that claim by accusing Democrats of being slavers.

Because the Democrats were Democrats. But they were not Socialists, at that time, because no such thing existed. They were plantation owners, slave dealers, Southern bureaucrats, and yes, KKK Grand Dragons. That's all on the Democrats.

None of that ever had a thing to do with the Republicans, although abolition, emancipation, and desegregation certainly did. The Democrats had no part in those things. They were too busy fighting to keep slavery going and segregation in place.

[Immanuel Can]

Cancel culture is yet another right wing myth like "cultural marxism".

Andrew Cuomo believes in cancel culture. He thinks it's come for him.

Please cite

Seriously? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/nyre ... gress.html

You should acquaint yourself with a marvellous tool called "Google" sometime.

[Sculptor]

Then why did you make that claim by accusing Democrats of being slavers.

Because the Democrats were Democrats. But they were not Socialists, at that time, because no such thing existed. They were plantation owners, slave dealers, Southern bureaucrats, and yes, KKK Grand Dragons. That's all on the Democrats.

None of that ever had a thing to do with the Republicans, although abolition, emancipation, and desegregation certainly did. The Democrats had no part in those things. They were too busy fighting to keep slavery going and segregation in place.

Duh

[Sculptor]

Andrew Cuomo believes in cancel culture. He thinks it's come for him.

Please cite

Seriously? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/nyre ... gress.html

You should acquaint yourself with a marvellous tool called "Google" sometime.

Does not change what I said.
Let's face it, he's used his position to persue his career as a sexual predator, he can try to use a right wing trope to defend himself, but he's a c+nt and has to take responsibility for his actions. He's pretending victimhood. He's not the victim.