Calling All Liberal Race Baiters

[Immanuel Can]

...Paranoid Delusions of Police Brutality in their Minds for decades. The damage is done. It will take many years to educate and erase these Paranoid Delusions.

Is that what's going on? I'm not sure it is.

To believe that cops are deliberately brutal to black people, you'd really have to believe a number of things that are hard to believe. One is that cops are racist -- despite the many black and hispanic cops. A second is that they deliberately seek out or "hunt" for ways to harm innocent black people. Is that what anybody really thinks is going on?

Only a person who had not thought much at all could possibly put that together as a coherent story in his/her mind. A moment's thought, and it no longer makes sense.

So there are other possible motives that I think are more likely to account for Philadelphia, or Minneapolis, or Seattle, or Kenosha, or wherever.

• One is nothing but unfocused resentment: "My life has not been easy, and I want somebody who looks to be in charge of this place to hate."

• Another is opportunism: "Resentment gives me immunity to break, beat, burn and especially to pillage loot from merchants, while having a smokescreen of moral outrage that protects from immunity -- or barring that, the immunity of the mob. I want sneakers."

• Another is virtue signalling, a stage for self-righteous self-promotion: "If I join into a cause in which I really have no stake, and then present as outraged for the liberation of others, I will be able to think of myself as a good person, a liberator, a freedom fighter...and I like myself in that role."

• Further, there's political opportunism: "Riots are a way to promote the narrative that the present administration has lost control of the situation and has lost the sympathy of the people, who are spontaneously rising up in righteous indignation against the oppressor."

• Then there's media opportunism and virtue signalling: "We are the media, and we promote the narrative of 'peaceful protests' and protect those we consider virtuous, rather than reporting the facts."

• With this, there's also the media power-trip: "We control the vote. We tell people what they believe, and we have the power to make the narrative whatever we want it to be. We can make a riot into a 'peaceful protest,' and nobody's smart enough to question us. We are important, we are crucial, we are not becoming obsolete and are not in crisis; rather, we rule."

• Then there's the sheer joy of destruction: "I show up with a placard, and I get to be in a mob and bust stuff or beat people with glee."

• Finally, there's obviously the Neo-Marxist motive, especially in BLM organizers: "Revolution is the start of the rise of Socialism, and any disorder and destruction to the existing 'regime' has to be good, and is an opportunity to advance a switch to a sweeping Socialist State."

What's important here is that not one of these motives has anything to do with "racism" or even "lack of police training." And that explains why absolutely nothing the rioters have done so far, and absolutely nothing the sympathizers in the political system or the media have done has anything to do with improving police procedure or with making the lives of black people safer or better.

It's really all guided by other motives, all of which ARE being advanced.

But black lives and black communities? Just how have any of them been made better by what's' going on?

[Immanuel Can]

...Paranoid Delusions of Police Brutality in their Minds for decades. The damage is done. It will take many years to educate and erase these Paranoid Delusions.

Is that what's going on? I'm not sure it is.

To believe that cops are deliberately brutal to black people, you'd really have to believe a number of things that are hard to believe. One is that cops are racist -- despite the many black and hispanic cops. A second is that they deliberately seek out or "hunt" for ways to harm innocent black people. Is that what anybody really thinks is going on?

Only a person who had not thought much at all could possibly put that together as a coherent story in his/her mind. A moment's thought, and it no longer makes sense.

So there are other possible motives that I think are more likely to account for Philadelphia, or Minneapolis, or Seattle, or Kenosha, or wherever.

• One is nothing but unfocused resentment: "My life has not been easy, and I want somebody who looks to be in charge of this place to hate."

• Another is opportunism: "Resentment gives me immunity to break, beat, burn and especially to pillage loot from merchants, while having a smokescreen of moral outrage that gives immunity from consequences -- or barring that, the immunity of the mob. I want sneakers."

• Another is virtue signalling, a stage for self-righteous self-promotion: "If I join into a cause in which I really have no stake, and then present as outraged for the liberation of others, I will be able to think of myself as a good person, a liberator, a freedom fighter...and I like myself in that role."

• Further, there's political opportunism: "Riots are a way to promote the narrative that the present administration has lost control of the situation and has lost the sympathy of the people, who are spontaneously rising up in righteous indignation against the oppressor."

• Then there's media opportunism and virtue signalling: "We are the media, and we promote the narrative of 'peaceful protests' and protect those we consider virtuous, rather than reporting the facts."

• With this, there's also the media power-trip: "We control the vote. We tell people what they believe, and we have the power to make the narrative whatever we want it to be. We can make a riot into a 'peaceful protest,' and nobody's smart enough to question us. We are important, we are crucial, we are not becoming obsolete and are not in crisis; rather, we rule."

• Then there's the sheer joy of destruction: "I show up with a placard, and I get to be in a mob and bust stuff or beat people with glee."

• Finally, there's obviously the Neo-Marxist motive, especially in BLM organizers: "Revolution is the start of the rise of Socialism, and any disorder and destruction to the existing 'regime' has to be good, and is an opportunity to advance a switch to a sweeping Socialist State."

What's important here is that not one of these motives has anything to do with "racism" or even "lack of police training." And that explains why absolutely nothing the rioters have done so far, and absolutely nothing the sympathizers in the political system or the media have done has anything to do with improving police procedure or with making the lives of black people safer or better.

It's really all guided by other motives, all of which ARE being advanced.

But black lives and black communities? Just how have any of them been made better by what's' going on?

[uwot]

Black criminals are more likely to resist arrest and are therefore more likely to be met with force by the Police.

WHUT? Mr Klinko, if this is satire, I salute you. The idea that white criminals meekly acquiesce when apprehended is part of comedy history: 'It's a fair cop guv, you got me bang to rights.'

This is because the Liberal/Media/Politicians have put Paranoid Delusions of Police Brutality in their Minds for decades. The damage is done. It will take many years to educate and erase these Paranoid Delusions.

Yes indeed sir, AnD tHe moRe CApitaLs you UsE, thE MorE TrOOThiness!!!!! Ain't that right Mr Can? Talking of whom...

[uwot]

...Cops are actually more hesitant to shoot a person of colour, for obvious reasons...they get pilloried if they get it wrong, or even when they get it right.

So Mr Can, in your view police are unprofessional, because they care more about how their actions will be perceived than whether they are justified. The curious thing is, you insist that we cannot know someone's state of mind when it comes to racist attitudes, but you apparently can when it comes to fear of reproach. It also says a great deal about your brand of christianity when you imply that sometimes police "get it right" when they "shoot a person of colour".

[Skepdick]

One is that cops are racist -- despite the many black and hispanic cops.

"Some of my friends are black"

A second is that they deliberately seek out or "hunt" for ways to harm innocent black people. Is that what anybody really thinks is going on?

Does it have to be intentional to be racism? Could it be ignorance and not malice?

[Immanuel Can]

Does it have to be intentional to be racism? Could it be ignorance and not malice?

Maybe.

But "ignorance" argues for education as a cure, not rioting, looting, beating or burning. And if one was only unfair ignorantly, then one was not really racist. By definition of "ignorance", you didn't know you were doing the wrong thing. So you weren't culpable, either. You should be pitied and re-instructed, not hated.

In any case, it's pretty hard to see how burning the city and looting Foot Locker improves "ignorance".

[Skepdick]

Maybe.

But "ignorance" argues for education as a cure, not rioting, looting, beating or burning.

Think of it as killing two birds with one stone.

When you stop the thing causing the rioting - the rioting will stop.

And if one was only unfair ignorantly, then one was not really racist.

"unfair ignorantly" is a mouthful. "racist" rolls off the tongue better.

By definition of "ignorance", you didn't know you were doing the wrong thing. So you weren't culpable, either. You should be pitied and re-instructed, not hated.

Which is why people protest against institutions, not cops.

In any case, it's pretty hard to see how burning the city and looting Foot Locker improves "ignorance".

It's pretty hard to see how Philosophising improves either and yet...

[Immanuel Can]

...the thing causing the rioting...

What's that?

Which of the motives I listed above do you mean?

[Skepdick]

Which of the motives I listed above do you mean?

None. I speak of the catalyst.

[uwot]

Does it have to be intentional to be racism? Could it be ignorance and not malice?

Maybe.

But "ignorance" argues for education as a cure, not rioting, looting, beating or burning.

Mr Can, the issue is racism in the police force. Is it your opinion that the police will stop "rioting, looting, beating or burning" once they have received a bit of education?

And if one was only unfair ignorantly, then one was not really racist.

What is your point Mr Can? Do you think that pinning another human being down with your knee on their neck until they die is ignorance?

By definition of "ignorance", you didn't know you were doing the wrong thing. So you weren't culpable, either. You should be pitied and re-instructed, not hated.

Practice what you preach Mr Can. I look forward to your pity and re-instruction.

In any case, it's pretty hard to see how burning the city and looting Foot Locker improves "ignorance".

Well, desperate situations call for desperate measures. Go for it Mr Can; I think you have nothing to lose.

[Immanuel Can]

Which of the motives I listed above do you mean?

None. I speak of the catalyst.

Which is what, in this case?

P.S. -- Looters in Philadelphia just shot a 15 year old girl. What "catalyst" does that correspond to?

[uwot]

P.S. -- Looters in Philadelphia just shot a 15 year old girl. What "catalyst" does that correspond to?

What "Supreme Being" does that correspond to?

[Skepdick]

Which is what, in this case?

P.S. -- Looters in Philadelphia just shot a 15 year old girl. What "catalyst" does that correspond to?

Not being policed like this ?

[Immanuel Can]

Which is what, in this case?

P.S. -- Looters in Philadelphia just shot a 15 year old girl. What "catalyst" does that correspond to?

Not being policed like this ?

That doesn't even make sense. You DON'T want knife wielders subdued without being shot?

Or do you mean that you think that every knife wielding man can be successfully subdued by 25 cops with plastic shields, provided the street stays entirely clear of pedestrians and the perp waits around for the 25 to arrive? Sounds to me, then, like you're calling for the massive funding of new law enforcement -- 25 to 1 -- so they can outnumber and surround every perp.

But back to the point: what's the "catalyst" of which you spoke.

[SteveKlinko]

...Paranoid Delusions of Police Brutality in their Minds for decades. The damage is done. It will take many years to educate and erase these Paranoid Delusions.

Is that what's going on? I'm not sure it is.

To believe that cops are deliberately brutal to black people, you'd really have to believe a number of things that are hard to believe. One is that cops are racist -- despite the many black and hispanic cops. A second is that they deliberately seek out or "hunt" for ways to harm innocent black people. Is that what anybody really thinks is going on?

From my observations I think that the Black communities have been blasted with exactly the Thought Corruption that you have listed above. I used to think it was an act when Black suspects were asked, "why did you run from the Police?", they answered because they were Afraid. I have come to realize that these Black people really really do think the Police are going to kill them if they don't run. Where does this come from except for the decades of Liberal/Media/Politicians drumming Delusions of Police Brutality into their Minds. Your list of alternate reasons are possibilities but the larger problem is the baseless fear and mistrust that Black people have for the Police.