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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:10 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:01 pm Look, far be it from me to be an asshole, but you really need to understand the difference between mans evil and Gods evil.

If God were evil, atto, or if He did evil, then there simply would be no such thing as evil. In fact, then what you call evil is then "good," for it would describe the purposes for which the Supreme Being who created the universe created it, and it would be consonant with his character. There would be no larger or prior set of criteria to which any of us could refer that would give us a basis for identifying anything as "evil."

The Gnostics figured that out. That's why they had to suppose the existence of a secondary creator-god who was smaller than their absolute "god," and below him by a whole hierarchy of "beings." They called him "the Demiurge." That way, they could say that "evil," such as might exist, was the fault of the Demiurge. If it were the fault of the ultimate god, they knew, evil itself would cease to have any meaning.

Would that be your position, then? Or do you think the Gnostics were nuts?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:56 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:48 pm The black field is not nothing.

Right.

Your last sentence also makes no sense to me because I can imagine nothing.

I think you're probably wrong about that. But even if you weren't, you couldn't communicate your "nothing" vision to me or to anyone else, because there's nothing to communicate there.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:17 pm God CAN do evil?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:17 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:10 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:01 pm Look, far be it from me to be an asshole, but you really need to understand the difference between mans evil and Gods evil.

If God were evil, atto, or if He did evil, then there simply would be no such thing as evil. In fact, then what you call evil is then "good," for it would describe the purposes for which the Supreme Being who created the universe created it, and it would be consonant with his character. There would be no larger or prior set of criteria to which any of us could refer that would give us a basis for identifying anything as "evil."

The Gnostics figured that out. That's why they had to suppose the existence of a secondary creator-god who was smaller than their absolute "god," and below him by a whole hierarchy of "beings." They called him "the Demiurge." That way, they could say that "evil," such as might exist, was the fault of the Demiurge. If it were the fault of the ultimate god, they knew, evil itself would cease to have any meaning.

Would that be your position, then? Or do you think the Gnostics were nuts?

I'm not going to waste further time with you if you don't listen intently to what I have to say. I am not an apprentice to a sage.

IC stated:- "If God were evil, atto, or if He did evil, then there simply would be no such thing as evil. In fact, then what you call evil is then "good,""

Fair enough. So you understand that for an individual to experience the wrath of God - indeed the evil of God, then there must be fair reason?

DO u understand - that God CAN do evil?

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:29 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:56 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:48 pm The black field is not nothing.

Right.

Your last sentence also makes no sense to me because I can imagine nothing.

I think you're probably wrong about that. But even if you weren't, you couldn't communicate your "nothing" vision to me or to anyone else, because there's nothing to communicate there.

Think of an apple on a table. I take and eat it. I eat the table too. What is left is space. I sallow that too. Therefore, there is no thing.

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:31 pm He needs to reflect on reality to see that God does evil too.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:30 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:17 pm God CAN do evil?

By definition, no.

If there is a Supreme Being, then there is, by definition, no standard above Him by which we would be able to justify such a claim.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:40 pm Who was it that suggested he would condemn us to eternal torture in the furnace of hell?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:35 pm "When I was talking of 'space' I was meaning the entire space of the universe and its contents. Does that change your mind in any way?"

No. I see Reality/the universe/space as a big, mostly empty, box with a finite number of discrete entities inside of it.

Not seein' the need for space to be binary\digital.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:47 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:40 pm Who was it that suggested he would condemn us to eternal torture in the furnace of hell?

You've been speaking to too many Catholics. They not only have your "Hell," but an additional bit of nastiness known as "Purgatory," which also has flames and demons with pitchforks in it.

But it's not Biblical. The Bible speaks of Hell as "separation from God." That's not a thing that God intends, not something He prefers for us, and not the reason He created us. But He also saw great value in us being free beings, who can choose what we want. And relationships cannot be forced.

So separation from God is a thing which some of his creatures are choosing of their own free will. That's the bad side of free will: it can be used for good, but it can be used for evil as well. That's what makes it "free."

But now, if free beings are freely choosing not to relate to God, who's to blame for that?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:35 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:31 pm He needs to reflect on reality to see that God does evil too.

"Evil" as defined from what perspective, B?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:54 pm ALL U HAVE IS YOUR BUY_BULL.