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Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:02 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:53 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:57 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:32 pm

Yes

Have you heard me say before that I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing?

If no, then now you have.
If yes, then WHY would you ask such a ridiculous question to me?
An Aboriginal or at least someone living among them, fascinating!
Why is this fascinating, to you? (By the way I already KNOW the answer. I would just like to see how honest 'you' are.)

And WHY do you 'try to' separate human beings into 'them' and 'us' categories, like you are doing here?

In fact, are 'you' even capable of putting human beings into legitimate separate categories and labels?

If you are interested I have yet to find just one human being who could do it successfully.

ALL of these labels like "american", "scandinavian", "white", "black", "asian", "european", "jewish", "muslim", et cetera, et cetera, are ALL just failed attempts at 'trying to' separate 'you', human beings. Once 'separatism' is completely STOPPED, then ALL of the other 'isms' like racism, sexism, et cetera, which is the only thing keeping 'you', human beings, believing that there are actually separate groups of 'you' will be completely finished as well.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:57 pmYou don't understand the word 'belief' so I'll try to rephrase,
Just because you MIGHT use a different definition for the word 'belief', and thus understand that word differently, does NOT mean that I do not understand the word 'belief'.

In fact I may have an understanding of the word 'belief', which when put together with a different understanding of other words forms a crystal clear picture of ALL-THERE-IS. Whereas, your understanding of the word 'belief', and your understanding of other words, could be the very reason WHY it is 'you' who is still somewhat confused and who is still searching for answers. You will NEVER know until you decide to STOP 'believing' that what you think and say is always true and right.

Or, maybe the truth really is, just as you would like to 'believe' it is, that is; you really do understand all there is and is it me who does NOT really understand at all?

We will have to wait and see.

Also, just say what you 'mean', then you will NEVER have to rephrase.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:57 pmdo you 'think' that the 'Dreamtime' quite accurately explains how and why the world is here, what its purpose is?
Certainly not.

I am always amused at how quickly you human beings jump to conclusions and make up assumptions, which are inevitably wrong anyway.

I can say the most innocuous thing, which can and will so easily produce the most outlandish assumptions, beliefs, and/or conclusions to come out.

By the way I could have asked you to clarify what you mean by the use of the word 'world' here. But you would have either once again not answered me, or you would have once again told me that "you know what I mean" or "others know what I mean", or you would have once again accused me of not understanding the word 'world'. So, for this reason I just answered your question pretending that you actually KNEW what you meant when you used the word 'world' here, in relation to the 'dreamtime'.

Unless of course you would like to rephrase, or would like to explain what the words; "how and why the world is here", actually means?

Just to let you KNOW it does not matter what you would provide my answer will still be a 'certainly not'.

The reason how and why the Universe is "here", and what Its purpose IS, can and will be explained in very simple and easy to understand proven Truth.

And about this "finding the simple Truth by being OPEN" technique: is this technique used by other Aboriginals as well, or only by you?

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:13 pm**

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:02 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:53 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:57 pm
An Aboriginal or at least someone living among them, fascinating!
Why is this fascinating, to you? (By the way I already KNOW the answer. I would just like to see how honest 'you' are.)

And WHY do you 'try to' separate human beings into 'them' and 'us' categories, like you are doing here?

In fact, are 'you' even capable of putting human beings into legitimate separate categories and labels?

If you are interested I have yet to find just one human being who could do it successfully.

ALL of these labels like "american", "scandinavian", "white", "black", "asian", "european", "jewish", "muslim", et cetera, et cetera, are ALL just failed attempts at 'trying to' separate 'you', human beings. Once 'separatism' is completely STOPPED, then ALL of the other 'isms' like racism, sexism, et cetera, which is the only thing keeping 'you', human beings, believing that there are actually separate groups of 'you' will be completely finished as well.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:57 pmYou don't understand the word 'belief' so I'll try to rephrase,
Just because you MIGHT use a different definition for the word 'belief', and thus understand that word differently, does NOT mean that I do not understand the word 'belief'.

In fact I may have an understanding of the word 'belief', which when put together with a different understanding of other words forms a crystal clear picture of ALL-THERE-IS. Whereas, your understanding of the word 'belief', and your understanding of other words, could be the very reason WHY it is 'you' who is still somewhat confused and who is still searching for answers. You will NEVER know until you decide to STOP 'believing' that what you think and say is always true and right.

Or, maybe the truth really is, just as you would like to 'believe' it is, that is; you really do understand all there is and is it me who does NOT really understand at all?

We will have to wait and see.

Also, just say what you 'mean', then you will NEVER have to rephrase.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:57 pmdo you 'think' that the 'Dreamtime' quite accurately explains how and why the world is here, what its purpose is?
Certainly not.

I am always amused at how quickly you human beings jump to conclusions and make up assumptions, which are inevitably wrong anyway.

I can say the most innocuous thing, which can and will so easily produce the most outlandish assumptions, beliefs, and/or conclusions to come out.

By the way I could have asked you to clarify what you mean by the use of the word 'world' here. But you would have either once again not answered me, or you would have once again told me that "you know what I mean" or "others know what I mean", or you would have once again accused me of not understanding the word 'world'. So, for this reason I just answered your question pretending that you actually KNEW what you meant when you used the word 'world' here, in relation to the 'dreamtime'.

Unless of course you would like to rephrase, or would like to explain what the words; "how and why the world is here", actually means?

Just to let you KNOW it does not matter what you would provide my answer will still be a 'certainly not'.

The reason how and why the Universe is "here", and what Its purpose IS, can and will be explained in very simple and easy to understand proven Truth.
And about this "finding the simple Truth by being OPEN" technique: is this technique used by other Aboriginals as well, or only by you?

It is used by ALL, unconsciously.

Even 'you' have used this technique unconsciously since 'you' were born.

But if you are wondering if i know of "any one else" who uses this technique consciously, then i have yet to find them.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:16 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:13 pm
And about this "finding the simple Truth by being OPEN" technique: is this technique used by other Aboriginals as well, or only by you?
It is used by ALL, unconsciously.

Even 'you' have used this technique since 'you' were born.

But if you are wondering if i know of "any one else" who uses this technique consciously, then i have yet to find them.

Of course I tried this technique consciously long ago, and it didn't work. Nor have I seen anyone else who could make it work.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:17 pm**

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:16 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:13 pm
And about this "finding the simple Truth by being OPEN" technique: is this technique used by other Aboriginals as well, or only by you?
It is used by ALL, unconsciously.

Even 'you' have used this technique since 'you' were born.

But if you are wondering if i know of "any one else" who uses this technique consciously, then i have yet to find them.
Of course I tried this technique consciously long ago, and it didn't work. Nor have I seen anyone else who could make it work.

When did you try this technique?

How OPEN were you?

Why did this technique not work for 'you'?

You do not have to 'make it work'. Being Truly OPEN just works. It really is that simple and easy.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:22 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:17 pm When did you try this technique?

How OPEN were you?

Why did this technique not work for 'you'?

You do not have to 'make it work'. Being Truly OPEN just works. It really is that simple and easy.

Several times throughout my life. Many seekers of truth are completely open, and they of course experiment with this technique, but they still get no answers.

This is well-known to most people on this forum.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:40 pm**

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:22 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:17 pm When did you try this technique?

How OPEN were you?

Why did this technique not work for 'you'?

You do not have to 'make it work'. Being Truly OPEN just works. It really is that simple and easy.
Several times throughout my life.

So, HOW exactly did 'you' become OPEN?

Were 'you' completely OPEN?

And why did this technique NOT work for you?

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:22 pm Many seekers of truth are completely open, and they of course experiment with this technique, but they still get no answers.

Are you SURE they are completely OPEN?

If yes, then HOW do you KNOW?

Do you think that just being OPEN is all it takes?

Are you aware that the Truth is simply already KNOWN, unconsciously?

If no, then why do you NOT know this most simple Truth?

Also, seeking answers is NOT going to help in finding the actual and real Truth of things, in any way that I KNOW of.

In fact 'seeking answers' could be one of, if not, thee major downfalls of NEVER finding the Truly Meaningful Answers in Life.

'Seeking answers' presumes they exist. Presuming, just like assuming, is some thing that helps in preventing finding the Truth of things.

By the way what was it exactly that you were 'seeking'?

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:22 pmThis is well-known to most people on this forum.

So, how many people are there on this forum?

And, how many people have ever existed?

Do you really believe that what is supposedly "well-known" to a relatively non-amount of human beings, in one tiny minuscule period of time, has any actual real bearing on the Truth of things for ALL human beings for ALL time?

You can try any thing you like to support your own beliefs but finding the Truth of things really is an absolutely simple and easy thing to do.

In fact through my questions I am SHOWING the actual and real Truth of things right HERE and NOW, for ALL to SEE and UNDERSTAND.

Why do you think that you can not see It nor understand It?

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:45 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:40 pm And why did this technique NOT work for you?

Because the universe doesn't give us answers. Some people are simply dumb or delusional (or both) enough to think that their 'voice' of intuition, or some other 'voices' in their mind, are Truth.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:49 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:40 pm So, HOW exactly did 'you' become OPEN?

WHEN did you become OPEN?

What were you before you became OPEN?

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:18 pm**

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:45 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:40 pm And why did this technique NOT work for you?
Because the universe doesn't give us answers. Some people are simply dumb or delusional (or both) enough to think that their 'voice' of intuition, or some other 'voices' in their mind, are Truth.

Okay.

So, is this Truth?

If yes, then where did It come from?
If no, then why say it?

Also, why do you think/believe that what you have is the exact same for EVERY one else?

If the Universe does not give you answers, then where do you get your answers from?

And, if we all get our own answers from different places, then how do you KNOW that the answers that you have got are absolutely True, Right, AND Correct?

In other words how do you KNOW that the Universe does not give 'us' answers?

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:30 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:18 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:45 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:40 pm And why did this technique NOT work for you?
Because the universe doesn't give us answers. Some people are simply dumb or delusional (or both) enough to think that their 'voice' of intuition, or some other 'voices' in their mind, are Truth.
Okay.

So, is this Truth?

If yes, then where did It come from?
If no, then why say it?

Also, why do you think/believe that what you have is the exact same for EVERY one else?

If the Universe does not give you answers, then where do you get your answers from?

And, if we all get our own answers from different places, then how do you KNOW that the answers that you have got are absolutely True, Right, AND Correct?

In other words how do you KNOW that the Universe does not give 'us' answers?

Aboriginals have an average IQ of about 64.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:31 pm**

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:49 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:40 pm So, HOW exactly did 'you' become OPEN?
WHEN did you become OPEN?

It is not a question about when you become OPEN. The question is when did you become CLOSED?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:49 pmWhat were you before you became OPEN?

Again, this question does not work.

To understand ALL of this fully what the 'you' IS needs to be fully understood.

Within each and EVERY human body there is an OPENNESS. This gets closed off by the 'you', when the 'you' is assuming and/or believing that 'you' ALREADY KNOW what is true and right in Life.

Being Truly OPEN is BEING curious, without any preconceived ideas of what is true and right. Being OPEN is having the ability to learn, understand, and/or reason. One can not be Truly OPEN if and when they assume and/or believe they already KNOW what is true and right in Life. This is WHEN 'you' become shut off from being Truly OPEN.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:43 pm**

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:30 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:18 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:45 pm
Because the universe doesn't give us answers. Some people are simply dumb or delusional (or both) enough to think that their 'voice' of intuition, or some other 'voices' in their mind, are Truth.
Okay.

So, is this Truth?

If yes, then where did It come from?
If no, then why say it?

Also, why do you think/believe that what you have is the exact same for EVERY one else?

If the Universe does not give you answers, then where do you get your answers from?

And, if we all get our own answers from different places, then how do you KNOW that the answers that you have got are absolutely True, Right, AND Correct?

In other words how do you KNOW that the Universe does not give 'us' answers?
Aboriginals have an average IQ of about 64.

The amount of racism and absolute stupidity that comes from those that claim to be intelligent never ceases to amaze me.

I wonder if these people who actually think/believe that they are smart/intelligent even have the ability at all to see just how they are the MOST stupid of ALL peoples?

There is NOT one shred of evidence, support, nor proof to back up and support what you claim, other than you saying: "you are simply dumb or delusional (or both)" AND "aboriginals have an average iq of about 64".

The human beings who actually think/believe that an iq score has any actual real bearing on the intelligence of a human being, is actually showing MORE STUPIDITY than the human being with the lowest iq score.

If you can not answer my clarifying questions, then so be it. You would be better of not saying any thing at all, because responding with the remark that you have just now is not helping you at all.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:55 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:43 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:30 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:18 pm

Okay.

So, is this Truth?

If yes, then where did It come from?
If no, then why say it?

Also, why do you think/believe that what you have is the exact same for EVERY one else?

If the Universe does not give you answers, then where do you get your answers from?

And, if we all get our own answers from different places, then how do you KNOW that the answers that you have got are absolutely True, Right, AND Correct?

In other words how do you KNOW that the Universe does not give 'us' answers?
Aboriginals have an average IQ of about 64.
The amount of racism and absolute stupidity that comes from those that claim to be intelligent never ceases to amaze me.

I wonder if these people who actually think/believe that they are smart/intelligent even have the ability at all to see just how they are the MOST stupid of ALL peoples?

There is NOT one shred of evidence, support, nor proof to back up and support what you claim, other than you saying: "you are simply dumb or delusional (or both)" AND "aboriginals have an average iq of about 64".

The human beings who actually think/believe that an iq score has any actual real bearing on the intelligence of a human being, is actually showing MORE STUPIDITY than the human being with the lowest iq score.

If you can not answer my clarifying questions, then so be it. You would be better of not saying any thing at all, because responding with the remark that you have just now is not helping you at all.

Life is cruel and I admit that your people drew like the shortest stick out of a hundred. That can't be fixed.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:56 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:23 pm…

You seem to create a lot of noise with what you think, and that obscures clarity.

I'm not interested in wading into that much noise to the degree that you seem to.

Sharing or having understanding does not have to be as convoluted as you appear to make it -- and I don't think it can even occur clearly in the midst of so much noise.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:23 pm
Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:09 pm They can simply listen to what you say, and then reconcile it with the truth that is already inside of them.
But that truth you talk about here may NOT be the real Truth of things. Can you SEE and UNDERSTAND this?

Can you SEE and UNDERSTAND that the truth you talk about may NOT be the real Truth of things?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:23 pm If what appears to me does NOT align with the truth in "others", then great. Just let me KNOW, then I become wiser. VERY simple and easy.

When you cannot understand what people are saying when they EXPLAIN that what appears to you does NOT align with the truth in them, how are you going to become wiser?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:23 pm If the Truth be KNOWN I write in specific way so that 'you' readers, in the times of when this is written, WILL ASSUME things INSTEAD of asking clarifying questions and challenging me. I do this SO I can SHOW to readers, in later times, WHY it is so important to remain OPEN always in order to gain full and true clarity of thing so that the Truth remains at the forefront.

That's why people feel jerked around by you. Like you're playing a game that you think you're being so clever at. When the reality is that you don't know anything more than anyone else, and your communication is convoluted and noisy which obscures clarity.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:23 pmI wrote that for a specific reason, so you would then accuse me of some thing. I would then ask you to clarify some thing. You would not do it, and would intentionally leave it out. All of which has so far taken place.

Ah yes, you're orchestrating everything while not recognizing how YOU are being orchestrated.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:23 pmI claim to KNOW thee Answers because thee Answers I KNOW can not be wrong.

And thee Answers I KNOW cannot be wrong.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:23 pmYou are also basing YOUR HONESTY solely upon your OWN past experiences only.

Is this what appears to you, or is it an assumption? Doesn't matter. It's WRONG.

Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:23 pmI can very easily and simple prove absolutely EVERY thing I am saying, and in a Truly logical, sensible, and reasonable way so that absolutely EVERY thing you now think and assume is impossible is actually possible.

So you SAY, over and over. "Saying" doesn't prove.

Posted: **Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:12 pm**

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:55 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:43 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:30 pm
Aboriginals have an average IQ of about 64.
The amount of racism and absolute stupidity that comes from those that claim to be intelligent never ceases to amaze me.

I wonder if these people who actually think/believe that they are smart/intelligent even have the ability at all to see just how they are the MOST stupid of ALL peoples?

There is NOT one shred of evidence, support, nor proof to back up and support what you claim, other than you saying: "you are simply dumb or delusional (or both)" AND "aboriginals have an average iq of about 64".

The human beings who actually think/believe that an iq score has any actual real bearing on the intelligence of a human being, is actually showing MORE STUPIDITY than the human being with the lowest iq score.

If you can not answer my clarifying questions, then so be it. You would be better of not saying any thing at all, because responding with the remark that you have just now is not helping you at all.
Life is cruel and I admit that your people drew like the shortest stick out of a hundred. That can't be fixed.

"your people".

Could 'you' get more racist?

When did "my people" "draw like the shortest stick out of a hundred"? In the last few years? About 200 years ago? Around 12,000 years ago? 100,000 years ago? Some time in between? Or before?

Or, do you still believe that the "first humans" still only came about around 12,000 years ago?

Would the people around 10,000 years bc have a higher or lower iq score than the people around 2,000 years ac have?

Do you really believe that an iq score is racist dependent?

And, is this TRYING TO belittle and ridicule "others" type of comment ALL you can come up? Considering what it shows of the person who makes such comments, especially in a philosophy forum, I would suggest doing what you are doing is not really helping 'you'?

Why can you not just form arguments and/or just answer clarifying questions about your OWN assumptions and beliefs?

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