Philosophy Now Forum

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:03 pm Dontaskme, if you would use a standard model, that's to say stop the pretentious prose, then Arising_uk might not be able to find fault with what you write. Just write in your own words.

You come across to readers as someone who enjoys mystery for the sake of mystery.You set yourself up as an Aunt Sally ripe for teasing.

I agree. There is much shared awareness that could be observed and explored together. And it would seem that the point and value of communication is to be understood. Full truthfulness and equality seem to be lacking from DAM's presentations. This is why, to me, it appears that DAM's agenda includes self-serving elements that create inconsistencies in what she says. When she is more "real and down-to-earth", she is much more interesting (and there is more value realized) in this "time zone".

Always remember DaM that secular progressives live by agendas and expect that you must also have an agenda. Consequently your style isn't appropriate for the secular progressive agenda since you are trying to express the substance of your experiences while unconcerned with the appropriate style. In short you would be a lousy politician.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:31 pm Always remember DaM that secular progressives live by agendas and expect that you must also have an agenda. Consequently your style isn't appropriate for the secular progressive agenda since you are trying to express the substance of your experiences while unconcerned with the appropriate style. In short you would be a lousy politician.

So, Nick, YOU have NO agenda in being here? Go ahead... lie about it.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:41 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:31 pm Always remember DaM that secular progressives live by agendas and expect that you must also have an agenda. Consequently your style isn't appropriate for the secular progressive agenda since you are trying to express the substance of your experiences while unconcerned with the appropriate style. In short you would be a lousy politician.

So, Nick, YOU have NO agenda in being here? Go ahead... lie about it.

As a person living by an agenda,what do you think my agenda is?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:57 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:41 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:31 pm Always remember DaM that secular progressives live by agendas and expect that you must also have an agenda. Consequently your style isn't appropriate for the secular progressive agenda since you are trying to express the substance of your experiences while unconcerned with the appropriate style. In short you would be a lousy politician.

So, Nick, YOU have NO agenda in being here? Go ahead... lie about it.

As a person living by an agenda,what do you think my agenda is?

The question is put to you: Do you or don't you have one?

Nick A: If I had to take a wild stab in the dark regarding your "agenda," I would say it is the promotion of fascism "justified" by theology.

Science Fan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:59 pm Nick A: If I had to take a wild stab in the dark regarding your "agenda," I would say it is the promotion of fascism "justified" by theology.

If yours is a scientific conclusion, you've demonstrated the limitations of science. I, who have supported Simone Weil's opposition to the power of the great Beast and her goal of freedom from imagination, am now assumed to want tyrannical control by secular governmental theology. I even support Hero Cow whose doomed pursuit of freedom serves as an inspiration to all seeking freedom from the tyranny of the Beast and the spiritual death it leads us to. Even though psychological freedom may be impossible for the collective Beast, it may be possible for individuals who have the need and courage of Hero Cow. Yours is the wildest stab in the dark I've ever read.

Science Fan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:59 pm Nick A: If I had to take a wild stab in the dark regarding your "agenda," I would say it is the promotion of fascism "justified" by theology.

More a hierarchical patriarchal theocracy.

Nick_A wrote:... Hero Cow. ...

You do know that that cow wouldn't have existed if not for Man?

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:38 am

Nick_A wrote:... Hero Cow. ...

You do know that that cow wouldn't have existed if not for Man?

You do know that that Man on earth wouldn't have existed if not for animals including cows appearing first?

You insist on defending the bull of Man as opposed to the sincere fight for life of Hero Cow. Hmmm..could that be hidden sexism?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:31 pm Always remember DaM that secular progressives live by agendas and expect that you must also have an agenda. Consequently your style isn't appropriate for the secular progressive agenda since you are trying to express the substance of your experiences while unconcerned with the appropriate style. In short you would be a lousy politician.

Good point made by you as always.

Yep, it's like hairless apes with an agenda..who'd have thought that one up? but a hairless ape.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:04 am

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:38 am

Nick_A wrote:... Hero Cow. ...

You do know that that cow wouldn't have existed if not for Man?

You do know that that Man on earth wouldn't have existed if not for animals including cows appearing first?

You insist on defending the bull of Man as opposed to the sincere fight for life of Hero Cow. Hmmm..could that be hidden sexism?

Humans think knowledge makes them intelligent, they misunderstand what intelligence is..intelligence is not human.

Knowledge is a story, and the belief in that story makes the human a fictional character in it's own story because the author of story is always human...this is not what intelligence is...but let them have their deluded beliefs if that's what makes them feel like Gods..

Nick wrote:

Always remember DaM that secular progressives ....

But Dontaskme is not a theist. DAM's philosophy includes not only those unbelievers that you label "secular progressives" but also you , your ideas, and all else. Your vague expressions amount to bad theism : DAM's verbosity could be edited and become good philosophy.

Dontaskme, Nick seems friendly to you because both of you are attacked by the same people. The reality is that Nick's theism is very far from your idea . Nick's notion of eternal values is values as revealed by his version of God.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:36 am More a hierarchical patriarchal theocracy.

What's the alternative? .. More hairless ape hierarchical patriarchal theocracy ?

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:03 pm Dontaskme, if you would use a standard model, that's to say stop the pretentious prose, then Arising_uk might not be able to find fault with what you write. Just write in your own words.

You come across to readers as someone who enjoys mystery for the sake of mystery.You set yourself up as an Aunt Sally ripe for teasing.

Tease away..I'm growing some tomatoes in my garden if you ever run out...just ask (look me up) and all will be given.

You've already concurred with my previous post as being consistent with your own philosophical findings..and now you side with Arising_uk's capacity to find fault in what you've already seen as you're own truth...hey, make up you're mind, you're confused inconsistencies are showing up again.

I'm not here to make friends with people or kiss ass with them, I'm not looking for approval...I'm here to share truth and dispel the lie, my knowing comes from personal direct experience not from another. No other person can give you validation or know if you are intelligent or not, otherwise it would be like... erm, where are they getting it from to be able to give it to me...because I falsely believe I haven't got it.

You are intelligence, you don't have to earn it, or buy it, or have it written down on some piece of paper, or have some one else tell you whether you have it or not.

What the fuck is a standard model when it's at home? ...did you just make that up out of thin air?

And what about my standard model, shall we just invent our own models to suit our own personal agendas? and poop on other peoples as being false while clinging on for dear life to our own cause we love the smell of our own shit so much.

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