Race versus culture

[davidm]

No one cares anymore about being called a nazi racist sexist homophobic transphobic Islamophobic antisemitic. You called wolf too many times and now no one believes you any more.

Not exactly quite so precisely. I believe him (or her). I believe you are a neo-nazi, white supremacist, antisemitic antiislamic racist. I am not sure about homophobia, or sexism.

I am sure.

And he is all the other things besides.

[Belinda]

Homophobia may be the denial of covert sexual attraction that Nazis feel towards the beloved dictator who is the man with the real power.

[Seleucus]

Regarding Savitri Devi: 'Come to my woman's breasts and take my milk for gall, you murdering ministers, Wherever in your sightless substances you wait on nature's mischief.' (Lady Macbeth, and see what happened to her she went mad)

Just read over the BBC article and the Wiki article, looks like, as with most rightists (Traditionalists), she was very into environmentalism and also animal rights. I downloaded a few of her books, looks like The lightning and the sun is the one you'll want to to get an in depth perspective on her philosophical outlook:

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/lightningsun.pdf
https://ia902608.us.archive.org/18/item ... 8432P..pdf

Lady MacBeth was an environmentalist and into animal rights? For heaven's sake, there was no environment back then! And as for animals, they were mostly eaten. Some were kept as beasts of burden, and some as lovers and other strangers.

You've misread the comment. The BBC article and link to The lightning and the sun are Traditionalist Savitri Devi.

[Seleucus]

No one cares anymore about being called a nazi racist sexist homophobic transphobic Islamophobic antisemitic. You called wolf too many times and now no one believes you any more.

Not exactly quite so precisely. I believe him (or her). I believe you are a neo-nazi, white supremacist, antisemitic antiislamic racist. I am not sure about homophobia, or sexism. I believe you are a wolf, called out many times for very good reasons.

In other words... I still care.

Sure, when you've converted to Islam, read the Quran, tafsir, hadith and sunnah, Islamic history and poetry, have a interracial marriage and family and have given your whole working life to the development of the 3rd World, like me, I'll be more open to hearing your name calling.

The irony makes me laugh every time, it's always these white bread honkys who are calling you racist and Islamophobic. It's the White guilt I guess, these people are deep in the system of benefiting from White privilege and have a big guilty conscience about it so try to relieve it with transference by name calling. It's always the guys I know who have been expatriates the longest and in interracial marriages that are the most "racist", and its the guys living in 90% White Portland and Seattle who are calling everyone else racist. It's a phenomena that deserves more analysis for sure. This vid contains some commentary of this strange phenomena, https://youtu.be/eRATeUEBWJQ

[Seleucus]

No one cares anymore about being called a nazi racist sexist homophobic transphobic Islamophobic antisemitic. You called wolf too many times and now no one believes you any more.

Not exactly quite so precisely. I believe him (or her). I believe you are a neo-nazi, white supremacist, antisemitic antiislamic racist. I am not sure about homophobia, or sexism.

I am sure.

And he is all the other things besides.

1. More name calling? But I'm still waiting on those scholarly articles supporting your claim that the Black race is more genetically varied than the White race? Alas, I've already looked through your post history, I know you're too stupid and lazy to read or dig through research and just troll this discussion group calling people names.

2. Sure, when you've converted to Islam, read the Quran, tafsir, hadith and sunnah, Islamic history and poetry, have a interracial marriage and family and have given your whole working life to the development of the 3rd World, like me, I'll be more open to hearing your name calling. The irony makes me laugh every time, it's always these white bread honkys who are calling you racist and Islamophobic. It's the White guilt I guess, these people are deep in the system of benefiting from White privilege and have a big guilty conscience about it so try to relieve it with transference by name calling. It's always the guys I know who have been expatriates the longest and in interracial marriages that are the most "racist", and its the guys living in 90% White Portland and Seattle who are calling everyone else racist. It's a phenomena that deserves more analysis for sure. This vid contains some commentary of this strange phenomena, https://youtu.be/eRATeUEBWJQ

[Belinda]

Seleucus wrote:

Sure, when you've converted to Islam, read the Quran, tafsir, hadith and sunnah, Islamic history and poetry, have a interracial marriage and family and have given your whole working life to the development of the 3rd World, like me, I'll be more open to hearing your name calling.

You can be all that you say, and still be an ignoramus about genetics, and sociology, and still argue ,as you do, that might is right.

Either sunni Islam and its derivatives is an authoritarian religion which has been appropriated by oppressive political regimes, or it is a force for good. If it is a force for good , which sometimes it is (eg. the Red Crescent, and e.g. family care for widows, orphans. and elderly) that would be in despite of its authority, as authority is always malevolent.

If you have walked the walk as you say you have, you might still be deluded about the malevolent nature of authority and its predilection for power. As you are.

[Seleucus]

argue ,as you do, that might is right.

Can you use the convenient quote function to show that please. Here is the link to all my posts ---> search.php?author_id=14903&sr=posts

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1. More name calling? But I'm still waiting on those scholarly articles supporting your claim that the Black race is more genetically varied than the White race? Alas, I've already looked through your post history, I know you're too stupid and lazy to read or dig through research and just troll this discussion group calling people names.

2. Sure, when you've converted to Islam, read the Quran, tafsir, hadith and sunnah, Islamic history and poetry, have a interracial marriage and family and have given your whole working life to the development of the 3rd World, like me, I'll be more open to hearing your name calling. The irony makes me laugh every time, it's always these white bread honkys who are calling you racist and Islamophobic. It's the White guilt I guess, these people are deep in the system of benefiting from White privilege and have a big guilty conscience about it so try to relieve it with transference by name calling. It's always the guys I know who have been expatriates the longest and in interracial marriages that are the most "racist", and its the guys living in 90% White Portland and Seattle who are calling everyone else racist. It's a phenomena that deserves more analysis for sure. This vid contains some commentary of this strange phenomena, https://youtu.be/eRATeUEBWJQ

1. Please refer me back to where I made the claim that the black people are more varied genetically than the white folks. I am too stupid and lazy to read through my stuff, but as far as I can remember, I've never made such a claim. That's A. B. is that it's futile to say one race is more varied than the other, as the variations are presented in sub-molecular differences, when you look at DNA evidence; which have not been quantified yet as to their degree of differentness. I.e., is CO2 more different from H2 than CO2 from NaCl? How do you measure that? I don't think that can be measured, so I never made the claim you claim I claimed.

Either that or you mix me up with someone else who made the claim you claim has been claimed.

2. This section of your post was quite a vivid display of wide-ranging stupidity and a wild abandon of many unrelated and unsubstantiated opinions juxtaposed. Your style reminds me of a guy's whose initials are A.Z., a Toronto-based raging bull.

I have to admit that you have a deep sense of racist insight. For instance, you guessed it correctly that I'm Caucasian. I don't know how you did it, but you did it and correctly so. Congratulations.

This is not a joke or sarcasm. You know that you'd get a great deal of derision from an Arab, or a Muslim, or a Black person. You got derision from me. And yet you were able to separate clues out of my post, that told you I was white. Another person of lesser insight would have concluded that you don't have my approval, and that's where the buck would have stopped. This hypothetical other person, the everyman, would have not formed an opinion as to my race, or color of skin of you prefer, because to him or her there were no indications of that in the disapproval I had expressed.

So you may be racist, but at least you have honed your mastery of it, you are no slouch, kudos to you for being sharp and observant. As Ezekiel or someone else put it in the Bible, "It does not matter what profession, calling, or lifestyle you pursue, as long as you strive to perfect it for it to as nearly approach the ideals as it possibly can."

[Seleucus]

1. Please refer me back to where I made the claim that the black people are more varied genetically than the white folks.

Never said you did. Second time in two encounters you've misread in this discussion. Do you need glasses or something? davidm has claimed it with no support four (4) times now. Maybe catch up on the discussion before barging in. Notice how I quoted he and not you?

I am too stupid and lazy to read through my stuff, but as far as I can remember, I've never made such a claim.

Never said you did if you could read and follow a discussion.

That's A. B. is that it's futile to say one race is more varied than the other, as the variations are presented in sub-molecular differences, when you look at DNA evidence; which have not been quantified yet as to their degree of differentness. I.e., is CO2 more different from H2 than CO2 from NaCl? How do you measure that? I don't think that can be measured, so I never made the claim you claim I claimed.

I couldn't agree more. Start with a definition of White and Black and "varied". Totally agree.

Either that or you mix me up with someone else who made the claim you claim has been claimed.

I expect it is you who has gotten all heated and misread since the whole discussion is in plain view to anyone one who looks at it. You've quoted the wrong post.

2. This section of your post was quite a vivid display of wide-ranging stupidity and a wild abandon of many unrelated and unsubstantiated opinions juxtaposed. Your style reminds me of a guy's whose initials are A.Z., a Toronto-based raging bull.

Your boyfriend?

This is not a joke or sarcasm. You know that you'd get a great deal of derision from an Arab, or a Muslim, or a Black person You got derision from me. And yet you were able to separate clues out of my post, that told you I was white.

I've never heard a Black or a Muslim call anyone racist or Islamophobic as you were doing so that pretty much narrowed it down to a White beta leftist cuck. Islamophobic is a White peoples' word that politically correct leftists throw at other White people to put on a show of their vain moral superiority. Most Colored folk and Muslims I know can quite easily understand a sense of pride in one's heritage and identity, these people fought for centuries to get ownership of their homelands and expel the foreigners, they can understand my perspective as clear as the morning sun rise.

As Ezekiel or someone else put it in the Bible, "It does not matter what profession, calling, or lifestyle you pursue, as long as you strive to perfect it for it to as nearly approach the ideals as it possibly can."

How many Blacks and Muslims are hanging around philosophy (φιλοσοφία) discussion groups, a White tradition, more likely they're doing Black things like shooting hoops or Muslim things like chanting their Zikir (ذِکْر). But who knows? Maybe you're a Korean bred in the guilty resentful culture of the modern West?

[Arising_uk]

If only. I glance at the BBC and the CBC from time to time, and occasionally watch Australian television so I know political correctness is quite wide spread; on the Continent too. Critical theory is the dominant narrative in social sciences. I pretty much burst out laughing when I watched Guy Ritchie's King Arthur and Sir Lancelot was a Chinaman and Sir Galahad a Black man, wtf? ...

Did you laugh at Othello? At Al Jolson? At women playing women in Shakespeare?

This isn't the first depressive episode in the history of our civilization. ...

What 'civilization'? There has been no 'white' civilization, just white nations.

A great awakening is happening now. ...

The fascists have always been in Europe. That you think this will lead to a white pan-nationalism makes you American and as deluded as Marcus Garvey.

Look at what the BBC is teaching us about even this very day: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41757047

Hmm... a white English/Wop/Bubble dressing up as a Hindu and married to an Indian, irony not a strong point with the Stormfarters then.

[Arising_uk]

2. Sure, when you've converted to Islam, read the Quran, tafsir, hadith and sunnah, Islamic history and poetry, have a interracial marriage and family and have given your whole working life to the development of the 3rd World, like me, I'll be more open to hearing your name calling. ...

You can't have kids then as you must be mental promoting the Stormfarters agenda as they will be having no truck with any nuanced discussion on who's white or not if they get into power and you being a Muslim will put you high on the watch list.

The irony makes me laugh every time, it's always these white bread honkys who are calling you racist and Islamophobic. It's the White guilt I guess, these people are deep in the system of benefiting from White privilege and have a big guilty conscience about it so try to relieve it with transference by name calling. It's always the guys I know who have been expatriates the longest and in interracial marriages that are the most "racist", and its the guys living in 90% White Portland and Seattle who are calling everyone else racist. ...

Do you also find it ironic that those who are racist are also those who live in 90% white areas?

I think you mean the ex-pats are cultural imperialists rather than racists as I also know many ex-pats and they are not racists.

It's a phenomena that deserves more analysis for sure. ...

It surely does, if you mean the fantasies of the American about Europe.

This vid contains some commentary of this strange phenomena, https://youtu.be/eRATeUEBWJQ

Is that where you're getting your stuff!?

[Seleucus]

If only. I glance at the BBC and the CBC from time to time, and occasionally watch Australian television so I know political correctness is quite wide spread; on the Continent too. Critical theory is the dominant narrative in social sciences. I pretty much burst out laughing when I watched Guy Ritchie's King Arthur and Sir Lancelot was a Chinaman and Sir Galahad a Black man, wtf? ...

Did you laugh at Othello? At Al Jolson? At women playing women in Shakespeare?

Guy Ritchie got completely burnt on King Arthur. I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for him or laugh at him? He obviously, and correctly anticipated that if he made a movie about the sublime and deep folk history of the European people he was going to be call a racist and all that. So he tried to get a step ahead of his critics by loading his movie, set in post-Roman Britain, impossibly with Blacks and mulattoes and Orientals. Unfortunately, the critics didn't care and still ripped his movie to shreds. When it's Whites they call it White washing, so I guess we can call what he did was Yellow washed and Black washed his movie. If you know Guy Ritchie movies like Revolver you got exactly what you would have expected so there wasn't really anything to criticize, King Arther was a Guy Ritchie movie, love it or leave it. Just the ridiculous part was the Black and Yellow washing and then the critics still roasted him for having the racist impudence to make a movie about White lore. What can you say? What will the sequel be like, Sir Galahad doing kung fu and Sir Lancelot dropping dope rhymes?

[Seleucus]

You can't have kids then..

How much Whiter can you get than Alexander the Great and he married an Asian? After Alexander died, Seleucus was the only Diadochi to keep the Asian wife Alexander had insisted his generals marry, her name was Apama. By bravery and genius, Seleucus eventually reconstructed nearly the whole of Alexander's conquests into the Seleucid Empire, uniting the whole East and West for centuries until Roman times. You actually know a lot about Seleucid times without even knowing it, Hannibal retired to the Seleucid court and the Book of Maccabees and Hanukkah both come out of that period.

[Arising_uk]

Guy Ritchie got completely burnt on King Arthur. ...

How uninteresting and none of it answers my questions.

I'm amazed you want historical accuracy from Hollywood as it's never done it before so why start now as it's job is to convince Americans that their mythical history and culture is real.

[Arising_uk]

How much Whiter can you get than Alexander the Great and he married an Asian? ...

And he would have had no truck with 'race supremacy' eh!

After Alexander died, Seleucus was the only Diadochi to keep the Asian wife Alexander had insisted his generals marry, her name was Apama. By bravery and genius, Seleucus eventually reconstructed nearly the whole of Alexander's conquests into the Seleucid Empire, uniting the whole East and West for centuries until Roman times. ...

"whole East and West"

You actually know a lot about Seleucid times without even knowing it, Hannibal retired to the Seleucid court and the Book of Maccabees and Hanukkah both come out of that period.

Like I've said, who gives a toss.