WHY can't the religions bring the mankind forward ?

[Lacewing]

HEY Bob... is there anyone who shares your views other than ancient zealots wandering the land on psychedelics, or people who have unwittingly answered your correspondence without knowing your full "condition"?

[bobevenson]

HEY Bob... is there anyone who shares your views?

Nobody, the mark of a true prophet.

[Harbal]

I believe I once called you a decent human being.[/size][/b]

There's no accounting for what you believe. I have certainly never given you cause to think I'm a decent human being.

[bobevenson]

I believe I once called you a decent human being.[/size][/b]

There's no accounting for what you believe. I have certainly never given you cause to think I'm a decent human being.

Actually, not even a human being at all.

[Lacewing]

HEY Bob... is there anyone who shares your views?

Nobody, the mark of a true prophet.

Or a complete madman.

[Harbal]

Actually, not even a human being at all.

Bob, we're supposed to be exchanging witty insults. At least make an effort.

[Harbal]

Nobody, the mark of a true prophet.

Or a complete madman.

I think it's a bit of both, Lacewing: A true madman.

[Lacewing]

Bob, we're supposed to be exchanging witty insults. At least make an effort.

bobevenson wrote: Nobody, the mark of a true prophet.
Lacewing wrote: Or a complete madman.

I think it's a bit of both, Lacewing: A true madman.

Yes, let's give Bob credit for a bit of both.

So, Bob... how does a person tell the difference between a prophet and a madman? Won't both insist that they have extraordinary credentials for whatever message they're trying to sell -- and won't both say that if people don't see value or truth in the message it's because the people simply don't understand -- and won't both repeat their talking points obsessively because they're unable to see or function beyond that? Have you seen any people act like that (other than yourself, of course) -- and what has been your assessment of those people?

[bobevenson]

HEY Bob... is there anyone who shares your views?

Nobody, the mark of a true prophet.

Or a complete madman.

True, but I have prophetic credentials while a madman has no credentials at all.

[Harbal]

True, but I have prophetic credentials while a madman has no credentials at all.

Why do you keep banging on about being a prophet? Why don't you just go and do whatever prophets do without going on about it?

[bobevenson]

True, but I have prophetic credentials while a madman has no credentials at all.

Why do you keep banging on about being a prophet? Why don't you just go and do whatever prophets do without going on about it?

No, that's what prophets do, and they keep going on about it.

[Arising_uk]

What I was commenting on was not your logic at all, unless you meant it as logic in which case it was flawed!

Show me how the logical laws of existence are flawed premises. Tell me how something can be and not be? Tell me how it is not the case that something is or it isn't? Tell me how it is not the case that if something is then it is?

If it never considered itself science as you say, then it never deserved any consideration whatsoever as help for those needing psychological support/knowledge. Who would want to consider treatment based upon whimsy instead of science. ...

lmao! That'll be all those who have had psychotherapy for the past umpteen decades since Freud then. If you want that kind of treatment then you'll be wanting Psychiatry and even there the basis has been upon 'science' that has been pretty shoddy or at least flimsy.

It's a pseudo-science because for it to be considered valuable to psychology, it'd have to be based upon science, I guess that's hard for you to understand ...

Bollocks, it's obvious that you have no idea why the term 'pseudo-science' has been applied to other subjects.

I guess it's that pesky dictionary is still giving you problems with it's circular references.[/color]

The only circularity here is yours as NLP was a grab-bag of techniques from Psychology and Psychotherapy as so according to your reasoning exactly based upon 'science'.

Then it's not worth shit. The reason it's called a pseudo-science, is because it's not based in science, the Church of Scientology, anyone? For it to be considered viable as a tool in psychology, it's MANDATORY, that it's based upon science! Even a soft science! So for all those that would wish to consider it, IT'S A PSEUDO-SCIENCE!

Explain what you think "based upon science" means with respect to Psychology and Psychoanalysis as I think you are talking bollocks.

You show yourself as a fool yet again, as no course of study is 'EVER' completed. Now I understand why you think you know it all, you actually believe you're done! I've always thought it was funny that you've believed that if people differ in philosophical belief than you, that they must be wrong, that they hadn't studied philosophy, and now I fully understand why! You really do believe you know it all! I've had you pegged form the beginning it would seem.

I'll take this as confirmation that your 'study' of Psychology was like your study of Philosophy, cursory. Still, this at least goes to explain the chip you have about academia.

I do not think that if people have a different philosophical belief than me they must be wrong, as I've studied philosophy. What I do think is that those who wish to talk about philosophy should have at least bothered to read some and find it amusing that they get upset when their ideas are challenged due them already having been critiqued long-ago.

My white horse? Who the hell am I coming to save?

No eyed-deer but here you are.

I'm taking on your old tired diatribe, that is aimed at placing you at the top of the heep! At least in your own limited, now closed mind, by your own admission, just above.

You talk bollocks, all I said was that the idea that there is a superior Logic other than just Logic was balls.

There you go again with your canned response meant to shake people down to their foundation, instead of dealing with the facts. I HAVE YOUR ORIGINAL STATEMENT SAVED AS AN HTML WEB PAGE! so you can't lie and cheat your way out of it, KIM! You're such a fucking liar, or just loosing your mind, take your pick! If it's the one I'll feel sorry for you, the other I'd prefer to shit down your neck, guess which one is which!

Post it up then.

Never meant it that way, you forgot the word "today." Everyone knows this, but I'll say it again for the daft, Ariging_uk, I said that in the beginning all meaning was word of mouth, contained in story telling, passed down from generation to generation until we invented written forms and printing presses. Now I'll not say it again, no matter how much you try an evade by lying, or conveniently forgetting.

All I've said is that meaning is not created in dictionaries as if it was we'd not need to be updating them. Take any definition and chase it down and you will find that the reason why you have understood it in the end is because you have been shown the meaning of the words elsewhere.

YOU FUCKING LIAR! I have copies you idiot!

Great! Post them up as currently I have no idea what you are talking about.

One of your canned emotional responses to evade your admission, to be expected from one of your personality type.

Or just a response to your bluster.

Good thing you chose to include the word "appear," as it shows that at least you do pay attention to me to one extent or another, it both shows that you can't be certain, compliance with truth, and that it could also be your sensing that lends to your conclusion. There may be hope for you yet!

I give two tosses for your opinion nor your sage-speak.

[Harbal]

No, that's what prophets do, and they keep going on about it.

But there's no one here who wants a prophet. You need to go and find people who care about prophets and such like.

[bobevenson]

There's no one here who wants a prophet.

"There's no sense dwelling on our losses. We just keep on lighting the lights and following the formalities." --Norman Bates in "Psycho"

Just like Norman, I keep on lighting the lights of spiritual truth even when it's all for naught.

[thedoc]

Why do you keep banging on about being a prophet? Why don't you just go and do whatever prophets do without going on about it?

No, that's what prophets do, and they keep going on about it.

I always thought a Prophet had a message from God to relate to the people. So what is the message you have received from God, and which God gave you the message? I think that some here would deny the existence of any God, so the message would fall on deaf ears.