What is the concept of God philosophically?

[Belinda]

Who and what the word God has been referring to, since that word's inception, is very, very basic, and very, very easy and simple to comprehend, and understand.

But, for any one with a contrary belief, then obviously while they have and maintain 'that belief' they will just not be able to comprehend and understand, full stop. Let alone comprehend and understand simply and easily.

And, as always, if any one, here, has the courage to challenge me over this, or just has the curiosity and interest to question me over this, then allow 'us' to have a discussion.

Until then, as can be seen, here, 'these posters' will just keep providing their own personal assumptions and beliefs, no matter how Truly False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect they really are. What will also become blatantly obvious is that when they are questioned and/or challenged over their assumptions, beliefs, and claims, here, by me, they on just about all occasions falter and fail completely.

And thus how one knows when it has the actual True, Right, Accurate, and Correct answers, in Life.

Which is why 'I' challenge any of 'you', here, to challenge 'Me', HERE.

Consider yourself challenged.

Well I have already expressed who and what the God word refers to, exactly, a few times throughout this forum, so until those definitions are questioned, countered, and/or refuted, then those definitions, literally, remain unchallenged.

That is so.
I have been doing a lot of reading -up about what I thought God is. I was sure He was a deterministic idea. I have discovered to my dismay that I will have to go back to the drawing board.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

The belief in demons opposing God is a deviation from monotheism.
For there is nothing that is not subordinate to God.

Demons are what some humans use to explain evil in the world so that they can call God benevolent. Seems to me that if there is a single creator or central supreme being, then it's responsible for everything, good and bad.

I've met Christians who refer to "the enemy". "The enemy" deliberately temps them away from God or brings miserable events into their lives or makes them feel shame. "The enemy" is some sentient agent that arranges traps and all sorts of diabolical ways of making us miserable, according to them. When talking about transcendent, outside-of-this-world stuff, I guess anyone can say pretty much anything they want, since no one can verify it one way or the other.

It is reasonable that if I posit a person Who is the force for Good then I must posit a person who is the force for Evil,

Why posit such a person? How do you get from reality, now, or ever, to such a person?

[Age]

The term "given individual" is commonly used in hypotheticals. You've never come across it before?

Why are you making a statement or claim, here, but putting a question mark at the end of it?

And, for those who do not already yet know I have actually explained why 'these people', here, continually did this.

So, to me, and again, I am 'currently' not yet aware that there is actually any 'requirement' for 'any person' to do absolutely any thing at all, here.

Why would you even be curious as to if there is or not, from 'my perspective'?

And, as I have also already mentioned, 'what end', is just the exact same 'shared end', which all people want and desire, at some point in 'their lives'.

But, I am not sure how 'any of this' relates to 'the concept' of God, which I have provided, here, in order to be questioned and/or challenged over.

The question mark at the end is to denote a "statement question". You've never come across this before?

Again, you make another statement, and claim, with a question mark at the end of it. Which denotes what a person already presumes or believes is true.

In a far more productive, and thus much 'better world', people ask questions from a Truly open perspective, instead. That way people are showing, and revealing, that they are not so narrowed nor closed. One can, and has, seen many, many examples of people asking questions from their closed and narrowed perspectives, or what you call, 'statement questions', here, in this forum,

Questions: statement questions (you’re over 18?)

Grammar > Words, sentences and clauses > Questions > Questions: statement questions (you’re over 18?)
from English Grammar Today
We can use statements (declaratives) to ask yes-no questions. In writing we know they are questions because they have question marks. In speaking we know they are questions because of the context, and often because of their intonation:

From <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/gra ... re-over-18>

Why not just say, and ask, 'Are you over 18?' instead?

Showing that you are open, and not so presumptive, presumptuous, and/or not so prejudiced, produces much more open and honest communication and thus creates much more open and honest relationships, which in turn makes a 'much more open and honest society, or world', as well.

Just trying to get a better understanding of what you have in mind and why it might be significant. You aren't making it easy, by picking at nits.

Would it be so hard, or complex, for you to have just asked, from the Truly open perspective, the question, 'Have you never come across it?' instead?

Also, you asking questions about if I have come across terms like, 'given individuals' and 'statement questions' before is you not really challenging nor questioning my actual claim about what God is, exactly, and as such is a delaying and/or deflective tactic. Which may well be all well and good for you, for some reason, but it is not really progressing towards finding out what the word God has been referring to since that words inception in to Existence. Which is, more or less, what this thread is meant to be about.

My asking you questions doesn't seem to be progressing very well.

Yes, and for, exactly, the reasons I just pointed out and showed.

Why don't you expand on what you've written thus far and explain its significance?

Once again, because absolutely no one has asked me. Which means that no one has any real curiosity nor interest in learning more, nor anew, here.

Again, what I have been saying and claiming is irrefutable and thus can be provided irrefutably True. But, only those who present actual curiosity will be the ones who first find this out.

The so-called 'significance' is only in relation to what absolutely every human being is born wanting and/or desiring. That is; to live in peace and harmony with one another, (as One), and, to be recognized and accepted for who 'we' are, or 'I' am, exactly. Which, by the way, is also 'One'.

Is there any thing in particular, exactly, that 'you' would like 'me' to expand on, here?

For example I could expand on what the Universe, Itself, at the most fundamental, is made up of, exactly. Which, when known and understand, expands on how the Universe, Itself, actually works. Which then helps in understanding what the Mind and the brain are, exactly. Which then expands on how and why 'you' human beings evolve 'the way' 'you' do, and why 'you' have been relatively 'stuck' where 'you' have been, and are in the days when this is being written, in learning and understanding more and anew in relation to the Truly meaningful questions, in Life. Which then expands on explaining how 'you' people are, literally, on the brink of 'exponential learning' far, far, far beyond any thing hitherto, and as of yet 'untold wisdom'.

But, as I have continually informed, and explained, throughout this forum, HOW 'this way' of living, learning and being wise, is achieved is yet to be tried, and tested. And, the 'very reason' why 'you' human beings are yet to even just try, and test, 'this way' I have also already informed, and explained, throughout this forum. But, as I have continually showed, again throughout this forum, some 'messages' just do not 'get through', until it is 'too late', well for 'some' anyway.

As with all 'new' knowledge, some are open, and thus receptive, to it, while for others they take much longer to comprehend and understand. While for some others they can never ever comprehend and understand. And, for 'the reasons' that I have already explained, throughout this forum.

[Age]

Consider yourself challenged.

Well I have already expressed who and what the God word refers to, exactly, a few times throughout this forum, so until those definitions are questioned, countered, and/or refuted, then those definitions, literally, remain unchallenged.

That is so.
I have been doing a lot of reading -up about what I thought God is. I was sure He was a deterministic idea.

The visible, that is the 'clearly physical', Universe is deterministic, in Nature. But, it is said that 'you' human beings have/were given 'free will'. And, considering the fact that 'you', people, literally are allowed to think, assume and believe, and/or do, absolutely freely, absolutely any thing of your 'own choosing', then 'free will' ALSO exists. And, if 'we' want to delve into, expand on, or understand 'this' further and/or more deeply, then you people although are absolutely free to think, (believe and assume), whatever you like, there are only a limited number of pre-existing thoughts, which you can 'choose from'. Which, obviously each generation of human evolution, since human inception into Existence, Itself, obtains more and more 'thoughts', or knowledge, from which you are then able to 'choose from'. Thus why 'learning', keeps so-called 'progressing'. However, and obviously, all thoughts, thinking, and knowledge is depended upon 'pre-existing conditions', which have (pre)-determined what can, and thus will, happen and occur, next.

When human beings 'ability to choose', which is obviously 'absolute', and thus 'free from' any interference, is what the words, 'free will' have been meaning, and/or are referring to, then both 'free will' and the 'deterministic nature' of the Universe, Itself, have been, are, and will continue to co-exist together, in Existence, Itself.

God, the omnipotent visible (physical) Universe, Itself, is 'deterministic', (think of physical balls on a pool table). And, this is just because all visible things are just made up of 'matter', itself. And, when 'piece of matter' 'touches' or 'bumps into' another 'piece of matter', then there is obviously going to be an 'ongoing effect'.

God, the omniscient invisible (physical or not 'we' do not yet know) Mind, Itself, is 'absolutely free', (think of 'open mind'). Which is why human beings have been continually able to 'create' new, and newer, things. It is from the so-called 'open' Mind where every 'creature comfort' that human beings have 'created', and will always continue to 'create', has come from. Through the 'ability to' imagine any and every thing this is where the ability to conceive, plan, and devise ways to build, make, construct, and 'create' just about absolutely any and every thing.

iI is through the Mind, which is always 'Truly open' where the ability to conceive, construct, and 'Create', or be the 'Creator of' comes from, combined with the 'physical nature' of 'matter', itself.

There really is only 'matter', and, 'space', and it is from 'the two', (which both 'create', or 'cause', 'the other'), how and why the Universe, Itself, is able to' and can and does 'Create', itself, always, in the 'exact way' that It is, in 'the way' that It is in HERE, and NOW.

I have discovered to my dismay that I will have to go back to the drawing board.

If you would like to know the Correct answer to any particular question, then just ask the 'specific question', here, as clearly as you can, and/or if you would like to know the 'how-to' to answer all of your own specific particular questions, "yourself", then just let this be known, as well.

If going back to the so-called 'drawing board" "yourself", or on 'your own', has not 'worked' in 'the past', then why would doing 'the same' 'work', 'now'?

It has been said, before, that: 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

Only when questions, which clarity, itself, is really sought after, are asked 'openly and honestly', can then either;

'The answer/s' be provided. Or,

How 'you' can find 'the answer/s' "yourself" can be provided.

[puto]

wrong person

[puto]

Jonah

I will read and check my notes. The philosophical God has been found in the Bible.

[Belinda]

Well I have already expressed who and what the God word refers to, exactly, a few times throughout this forum, so until those definitions are questioned, countered, and/or refuted, then those definitions, literally, remain unchallenged.

That is so.
I have been doing a lot of reading -up about what I thought God is. I was sure He was a deterministic idea.

The visible, that is the 'clearly physical', Universe is deterministic, in Nature. But, it is said that 'you' human beings have/were given 'free will'. And, considering the fact that 'you', people, literally are allowed to think, assume and believe, and/or do, absolutely freely, absolutely any thing of your 'own choosing', then 'free will' ALSO exists. And, if 'we' want to delve into, expand on, or understand 'this' further and/or more deeply, then you people although are absolutely free to think, (believe and assume), whatever you like, there are only a limited number of pre-existing thoughts, which you can 'choose from'. Which, obviously each generation of human evolution, since human inception into Existence, Itself, obtains more and more 'thoughts', or knowledge, from which you are then able to 'choose from'. Thus why 'learning', keeps so-called 'progressing'. However, and obviously, all thoughts, thinking, and knowledge is depended upon 'pre-existing conditions', which have (pre)-determined what can, and thus will, happen and occur, next.

When human beings 'ability to choose', which is obviously 'absolute', and thus 'free from' any interference, is what the words, 'free will' have been meaning, and/or are referring to, then both 'free will' and the 'deterministic nature' of the Universe, Itself, have been, are, and will continue to co-exist together, in Existence, Itself.

God, the omnipotent visible (physical) Universe, Itself, is 'deterministic', (think of physical balls on a pool table). And, this is just because all visible things are just made up of 'matter', itself. And, when 'piece of matter' 'touches' or 'bumps into' another 'piece of matter', then there is obviously going to be an 'ongoing effect'.

God, the omniscient invisible (physical or not 'we' do not yet know) Mind, Itself, is 'absolutely free', (think of 'open mind'). Which is why human beings have been continually able to 'create' new, and newer, things. It is from the so-called 'open' Mind where every 'creature comfort' that human beings have 'created', and will always continue to 'create', has come from. Through the 'ability to' imagine any and every thing this is where the ability to conceive, plan, and devise ways to build, make, construct, and 'create' just about absolutely any and every thing.

iI is through the Mind, which is always 'Truly open' where the ability to conceive, construct, and 'Create', or be the 'Creator of' comes from, combined with the 'physical nature' of 'matter', itself.

There really is only 'matter', and, 'space', and it is from 'the two', (which both 'create', or 'cause', 'the other'), how and why the Universe, Itself, is able to' and can and does 'Create', itself, always, in the 'exact way' that It is, in 'the way' that It is in HERE, and NOW.

I have discovered to my dismay that I will have to go back to the drawing board.

If you would like to know the Correct answer to any particular question, then just ask the 'specific question', here, as clearly as you can, and/or if you would like to know the 'how-to' to answer all of your own specific particular questions, "yourself", then just let this be known, as well.

If going back to the so-called 'drawing board" "yourself", or on 'your own', has not 'worked' in 'the past', then why would doing 'the same' 'work', 'now'?

It has been said, before, that: 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

Only when questions, which clarity, itself, is really sought after, are asked 'openly and honestly', can then either;

'The answer/s' be provided. Or,

How 'you' can find 'the answer/s' "yourself" can be provided.

Because, Age, I don't yet feel myself to be a lost cause. Hope as they say, springs eternal. Well anyway I am not yet despairing.
It would be pleasant to be able to thank God for my mental health except that many other people have sound reason for despair , and I don't merit special favour by the Almighty.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Jonah

I will read and check my notes. The philosophical God has been found in the Bible.

Where? I don't see the God of the Bible ever being philosophical, even in the colloquial sense. He regretted creating humanity; so much for omniscience. And He's nowhere near a God who emerges from philosophy. None do in the absence of any evidence, need, whatsoever. Nature needs no intentionality to explain. If there were any need, any instance of the fingerpost, it would be incontrovertible. The 'fine tuning' fallacy is utterly controvertible, and even if we allow it, there is absolutely nothing else.

[Belinda]

Jonah

I will read and check my notes. The philosophical God has been found in the Bible.

Where? I don't see the God of the Bible ever being philosophical, even in the colloquial sense. He regretted creating humanity; so much for omniscience. And He's nowhere near a God who emerges from philosophy. None do in the absence of any evidence, need, whatsoever. Nature needs no intentionality to explain. If there were any need, any instance of the fingerpost, it would be incontrovertible. The 'fine tuning' fallacy is utterly controvertible, and even if we allow it, there is absolutely nothing else.

Martin, I think The Bible shows that God has a developmental history. Maybe Puto knows something else.Maybe God's history has an end -point.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

I will read and check my notes. The philosophical God has been found in the Bible.

Where? I don't see the God of the Bible ever being philosophical, even in the colloquial sense. He regretted creating humanity; so much for omniscience. And He's nowhere near a God who emerges from philosophy. None do in the absence of any evidence, need, whatsoever. Nature needs no intentionality to explain. If there were any need, any instance of the fingerpost, it would be incontrovertible. The 'fine tuning' fallacy is utterly controvertible, and even if we allow it, there is absolutely nothing else.

Martin, I think The Bible shows that God has a developmental history. Maybe Puto knows something else.Maybe God's history has an end -point.

Aye Belinda. The God of the Bible certainly evolved through it. Unless, like my cult and other fundies, one sees it as a seamless garment where all things are true; where God was infinitely pragmatic, dispensational, when interacting with us. In reality there can be no end point, even if reality is grounded by God. Reality is infinite and eternal, worlds without end, natural, and transcendent in would-be God. Not limited to one insanely particular world's fantasy timeline. What could Puto 'know' I wonder?

[Age]

That is so.
I have been doing a lot of reading -up about what I thought God is. I was sure He was a deterministic idea.

The visible, that is the 'clearly physical', Universe is deterministic, in Nature. But, it is said that 'you' human beings have/were given 'free will'. And, considering the fact that 'you', people, literally are allowed to think, assume and believe, and/or do, absolutely freely, absolutely any thing of your 'own choosing', then 'free will' ALSO exists. And, if 'we' want to delve into, expand on, or understand 'this' further and/or more deeply, then you people although are absolutely free to think, (believe and assume), whatever you like, there are only a limited number of pre-existing thoughts, which you can 'choose from'. Which, obviously each generation of human evolution, since human inception into Existence, Itself, obtains more and more 'thoughts', or knowledge, from which you are then able to 'choose from'. Thus why 'learning', keeps so-called 'progressing'. However, and obviously, all thoughts, thinking, and knowledge is depended upon 'pre-existing conditions', which have (pre)-determined what can, and thus will, happen and occur, next.

When human beings 'ability to choose', which is obviously 'absolute', and thus 'free from' any interference, is what the words, 'free will' have been meaning, and/or are referring to, then both 'free will' and the 'deterministic nature' of the Universe, Itself, have been, are, and will continue to co-exist together, in Existence, Itself.

God, the omnipotent visible (physical) Universe, Itself, is 'deterministic', (think of physical balls on a pool table). And, this is just because all visible things are just made up of 'matter', itself. And, when 'piece of matter' 'touches' or 'bumps into' another 'piece of matter', then there is obviously going to be an 'ongoing effect'.

God, the omniscient invisible (physical or not 'we' do not yet know) Mind, Itself, is 'absolutely free', (think of 'open mind'). Which is why human beings have been continually able to 'create' new, and newer, things. It is from the so-called 'open' Mind where every 'creature comfort' that human beings have 'created', and will always continue to 'create', has come from. Through the 'ability to' imagine any and every thing this is where the ability to conceive, plan, and devise ways to build, make, construct, and 'create' just about absolutely any and every thing.

iI is through the Mind, which is always 'Truly open' where the ability to conceive, construct, and 'Create', or be the 'Creator of' comes from, combined with the 'physical nature' of 'matter', itself.

There really is only 'matter', and, 'space', and it is from 'the two', (which both 'create', or 'cause', 'the other'), how and why the Universe, Itself, is able to' and can and does 'Create', itself, always, in the 'exact way' that It is, in 'the way' that It is in HERE, and NOW.

I have discovered to my dismay that I will have to go back to the drawing board.

If you would like to know the Correct answer to any particular question, then just ask the 'specific question', here, as clearly as you can, and/or if you would like to know the 'how-to' to answer all of your own specific particular questions, "yourself", then just let this be known, as well.

If going back to the so-called 'drawing board" "yourself", or on 'your own', has not 'worked' in 'the past', then why would doing 'the same' 'work', 'now'?

It has been said, before, that: 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

Only when questions, which clarity, itself, is really sought after, are asked 'openly and honestly', can then either;

'The answer/s' be provided. Or,

How 'you' can find 'the answer/s' "yourself" can be provided.

Because, Age, I don't yet feel myself to be a lost cause. Hope as they say, springs eternal. Well anyway I am not yet despairing.
It would be pleasant to be able to thank God for my mental health except that many other people have sound reason for despair , and I don't merit special favour by the Almighty.

If your reply, here, is meant to be in relation to some thing, then i have no idea what that is.

[Age]

Once again 'these people' are trying to counter and/or refute their own personal ideas or perspectives of God, without actually ever explaining what their own personal views of what the God word is even referring to, exactly.

Saying things like, 'the God of the bible', as though there is one version, only, and then 'trying to' counter or refute 'that', whatever 'that' is, is absolutely hilarious to watch play out, here.

And, what is just as funny is watching some 'trying to' argue for 'that', when what 'that' is, exactly, continues to never ever be mentioned, let alone explained, discussed, agreed upon, and accepted.

[Janoah]

'place where the kings of the earth under demonic leadership will wage war on the forces of God at the end of history.'

The belief in demons opposing God is a deviation from monotheism.
For there is nothing that is not subordinate to God.

Demons are what some humans use to explain evil in the world so that they can call God benevolent. Seems to me that if there is a single creator or central supreme being, then it's responsible for everything, good and bad.

Yes, the law of gravity is responsible for the apple falling on Newton's head, hurting him, and on the other hand, contributing well to Newton's discovery of this Law of Gravity.

There are angelically pleasant cases, and “diabolically” unpleasant cases.
But all cases are natural and obey God, the One Law of Nature.

[Janoah]

It is reasonable that if I posit a person Who is the force for Good then I must posit a person who is the force for Evil,

If you say so.

Personification causes the idea of a Devil who is a person. If God is understood as the idea of Good (i.e. the Platonic Form of good) , then evil is not a person but is the relative absence of good.

In reality, God is neither "good" nor "evil", God has no qualities, for God is the Law.
If a person jumps off a roof and falls, it is a "devilishly" unpleasant incident, but no mythical devil has anything to do with it, alright Jack.
The personification of evil in the person of the devil is indeed a myth that leads away from the correct worldview.

[puto]

Martin Peter Clarke

, yes it is read the Bible, then examine the Bible from a philosophical point of view. I spent about one hour just trying to figure out what you were writing, then writing a response just as confusing. I have no idea what you are trying to convey in your writing. The Bible in literature and theology does have an end-point just read the book of Revelation. I just do not understand what you are trying to write.