Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 11:48 am
So, why in a philosophy forum, of all places, where 'truth', itself, has far more importance than anywhere else, and where the only thing 'we' have, to work with, are 'words alone', why would you write some thing that you do not, literally, even mean?
Because using metaphorical language allows the communication of a wider variety of meaning.
But why not just say and write what is actually meant only.
And, will you provide example/s of wanting to say and write a so-called 'wider variety of meaning' instead of just saying and writing what you 'actually mean'?
If no, then why not?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
Further, there is no avoiding metaphorical language.
Really?
Was what you just said and wrote here another example of the, supposed, 'there is no avoiding metaphorical language'?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
Is there a reason why we should restrict our language use because you 1) don't understand openly metaphorical or idiomatic English
1. Why do you presume that I do not understand openly metaphorical or idiomatic english?
2. I never said nor suggested that any one 'restricts' our nor their language.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
and 2) don't understand how much of language is metaphorical, but is dead metaphors so we think of it as literal?
1. Why do you presume that I do not understand how much of language is metaphorical?
2. I never said nor suggested that any one 'restricts' our nor their language.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
Why are your limitations our problem?
you, obviously, still do not yet know what the 'problem' word means and refers to, exactly, to me.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
And he responded politely to let you know.
Who cares about 'politeness' in a philosophy forum. Truth overrides every thing here, including politeness.
For example all of you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, are abusing children, but if 'politeness' or 'being polite' is a necessity, then best I do not point out and prove the Truth and the fact that all of you adult human beings are abusing children, right?
Also, who cares if the one who admits that it would shoot a human being for just 'trying to' 'make off' with a toothpick is responding so-called 'politely' or not in a philosophy forum of all places.
I find the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth far, far more important that some Truly unnecessary 'polite way of speaking/writing'.
Where does 'your thinking' come from, exactly? Some 'olden day era' where the monetary rich folk are taught how to 'act' in front of others?
Once more, 'we' are in a philosophy forum. So, expect to get your claims and assertions questioned, and challenged. Therefore, I suggest speaking and writing, literally, the Truth only, and not some metaphorical language, instead.
Again, how simple and easy is this?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
You clearly have not had the slightest curiosity about this since I point this all out earlier.
Once again, this speaks and writes 'in a way' that only it knows what is being talked about.
I have pointed this out to you previously, but obviously you have not taken this 'on board', not considered it and improved your communicating ways.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
So, you get cranky when other people write in ways that your limitations make hard to parse.
Why do you, continually, try to assume you know what, exactly, is going on with 'the other'?
And, why do you, continually, do this when it is, continually, pointed out to you that you are absolutely Wrong, and Incorrect?
How many times does some thing need to be pointed out to you before you consider it, comprehend it, understand it, and so change doing it?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
Has no one in your in person life not informed you that inablity to work with metaphors and irony go hand in hand with some of your traits?
But, once again, what you have imagined in regards to what I can do or cannot do here has on just about every occasion been absolutely False and Wrong, and if not, then partly False and Wrong.
And, once again, your assumption here 'about me' is absolutely False and Wrong. So, once more, asking a question like this one here is absolutely moot.
After all, for all you know "iwannaplato" I could be here 'acting' in 'a way' that is the complete opposite of who and what 'I' Truly am.
Have you never ever even just 'considered' this?
And, once more, have you never ever even just 'considered' to seek out and obtain actual clarity here, before you start making up absolutely any assumptions at all?
In fact, has no one in your 'personal life' not informed you that your inability to seek out and obtain actual clarification before you make Truly False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect assumptions go 'together' with some of your traits?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
After your whole tirade about all that we have is words on a screen you then go on to use the metaphor....
So, what am I, actually, pointing out, and describing, here "henry quirk"?
Or were you literally pointing and expecting him to see where you were pointing?
So, did I use a 'metaphor', or 'not'?
And, why do you think or believe that one could not 'point out' some thing with words, alone?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
And let's not get stuck thinking that is the limits of metaphor use in nearly all language. But if you're are curious it is easy to google your way to more information about dead metaphors in language and even the schemas framing the way we think about all sorts of thinks embedded in metaphors so common we don't notice them.
So, once again, what 'we' have here is another prime example of just how much, and how often, these adult human beings, back when this was being written, would try to over complicated what is essentially, absolutely, simple and easy.
Instead of just 'changing' and just speaking and writing the Truth only here, 'this one', laughingly, wants me to go and 'look at' just how much these people would actually try to over complicate what is Truly not.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
Since, as you point out, this is a philosophy forum, you might want to look at the works of
George Lakoff
Mark Johnson
Zoltán Kövecses
Gilles Fauconnier
Mark Turner
Once again, this one has completely and utterly missed, misinterpreted, misconstrued, misunderstood, and/or mistaken the 'actual point'.
But, this was a very common habit of this one, and others, because they were never sure if 'the other' was speaking metaphorically, or not.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
Their works can help break the binary illusion you have around metaphrorical and literal language. And it's not like I think you should believe them, because they tell us. It's that they have spent time organizing the information, with a myriad of examples of what most people don't realize is metaphorical.
So, they have spoken, and written, with a myriad of examples, about a thing that, supposedly, most people do not realize is 'metaphorical', when 'the thing', 'metaphorical language', is not even a necessary part of Life, and living.
Which is speaking about and writing a lot of words about some thing Truly unimportant here.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
For someone who claims this...
And, this is because I know, exactly, who, and what, you all are, and how, and why, you all think, and do, what you all think, and do.
it is amazing how you don't know much about language which is intimately involved in how we think, for example.
So, because you are, supposedly, a "teacher of the english language" only, and thus should know more about the "english language" than most others here, just continually talking about the "english language" and what is involved in that is not really showing a sign that you are a very "worldly person", at all, which is what is far more important and far more necessary in a 'philosophy forum'. Well to some people anyway.
Do the people in your 'personal life' inform you of how fixated you are the "english language", itself, only?
And, because you may have to read some things, by some authors, for your work and job, is not really a motivating reason for others wanting to read the same texts.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:18 pm
Even more amazing is the lack of insight into your own language use and thus thinking.
Okay.
If this is what you want to believe is true, then please keep on doing this.
But, could your own assumptions here, which led up to your beliefs here, now, have been False or Wrong from the outset?
Or, is this not even a possibility in your own views of things here?