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Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 6:04 pm The only point of your ignorant proposals is to preen in your pretentious, self-importance. I'm not reading anything else you have to say. I kindly suggest you fuck off.

Your interchange with my views of you is not required, nor that you read what I write. Your ignorance is, I suggest, a cultural issue and problem. When I say that your TDS blinds you I hardly care that you personally suffer this ailment that screws up your perception. But I am certainly concerned that there are millions like you and that as a mass-disease it is certainly consequential.

You are a destructive element in destructive processes, yet you are incapable of seeing yourself. (That is a you-plural btw).

This ties in to Walker’s references, and my references, to an entire sector of the population in our republic who are caught in what looks like a strange hysteria. We are forced to attempt to understand what this is and how it came about.

So in truth what I am talking about is entirely topical.

Many are aware of this, others perhaps not, but Michael Moore talked about that giant fuck you.

Moore’s view was accurate and relevant at that time, but I can assure you that the counter-current of reactive activism has moved well beyond a visceral emotion of a dispossessed class.

It is very hard to catalogue what the MAGA movement really is, and to see it fairly, and also to see that it transcends the man Donald Trump. But he really did set something in motion. It will not simply evaporate.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:33 pm

Someone smarter.

Smart folks, clean folks, moral folks don't go into politics: mediocre, dirty, opportunists do.

They're used car & snake oil salesmen, every last one: always have been, always will be.

Someone who isn't a wanna-be dictator.

In his 4 years, my lil ORANGE GRENADE did nuthin' dictator-like: prove me wrong.

Your big orange FUCK YOU has the potential of destroying far more than you may have intended.

The only thing he might destroy is the illusion, government is your friend. I think he got off to a good start with that. I think he deserves another 4 to continue that good work. Gotta say, though: Smokin' Joe, the House Plant (or his handlers) has done one bang-up job of disabusin' folks of the idea The State is a noble or moral endeavor. I wouldn't be too upset if he got another 4 years.

One example of dictatorship is the time when he used the US Army—a military force which by rule of law is never to be used against US citizens—to disperse a crowd of US citizens.

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:50 am One example of dictatorship is the time when he used the US Army—a military force which by rule of law is never to be used against US citizens—to disperse a crowd of US citizens.

You'll have to refresh my memory.

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:50 am One example of dictatorship is the time when he used the US Army—a military force which by rule of law is never to be used against US citizens—to disperse a crowd of US citizens.

You need to at least be fair to be taken seriously, you know.

The Posse Comitatus Act Explained
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... -explained

The Posse Comitatus Act bars federal troops from participating in civilian law enforcement except when expressly authorized by law. This 143-year-old law embodies an American tradition that sees military interference in civilian affairs as a threat to both democracy and personal liberty. However, recent events have revealed dangerous gaps in the law’s coverage that Congress must address.

That large exception is a simple work-around, child’s play for The Party. Just change the law.

Changing the law, subverting the law, and ignoring law is a common Leftist tactic. For example, the Supreme Court recently upheld that Biden, the face of The Democrat Party that Hates America, has no presidential, constitutional authority to forgive student loans.

He did it anyway, with some kind of workaround rationale. Very totalitarian of him to do so.

Lincoln most famously used totalitarian powers in order to preserve the nation against the Democrats who wanted to destroy it, just as they now want to destroy the nation that was intended in the beginning.

The principles of the Democrat party are in conflict with the Constitution, as explained in Mark Levin’s** powerful bestseller, The Democrat Party Hates America.

The Left uses the Constitution to destroy the nation, so they can loot and create in their image, with policies resulting in the now obvious corruption of major American metros.

See the difference?
Constitution can be used to preserve and nourish the nation.
Constitution can be used to destroy the nation.

That is the nature of powerful things. Crazy Leftists* destroy; rational conservatives build along Constitutional guidelines.

The intent of the Left uses the Constitution to subvert the law and the Constitution. The Left also neatly blames conservatives for the aftermath of this Leftist Idiocy by saying conservatives should have stopped the corruption of the Left.***

For example, Trump is blamed because he didn’t get that wall built to stem the human invasion unleashed by The Left, and somehow the Left is nowhere at fault in that equation, according to their select media sources.


* Anyone who voted for Biden or supported his election.
** A Constitutionalist.
*** The biggest F.U.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:28 amLincoln most famously used totalitarian powers in order to preserve the nation against the Democrats who wanted to destroy it, just as they now want to destroy the nation that was intended in the beginning.

Mark Levin resorts to a simplistic formula to bolster his historical/rhetorical position. The southern states described the actions of the northern power-structure as the (non-Constitutional) Northern War of Aggression.

If one accepts the Northern rationale that justifies extra-constitutional police and military action to annihilate a political opponent (in this case the seceding southern states) one with that argument shoots oneself in the foot. Levin in this sense undermines his own position by condoning the military operation that resulted in vast destruction on social and many other levels.

The South resisted, and resented, the northern invasion and occupation. The invasion and occupation created extremely negative conditions comparable to the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. The “Lincolnian” use of raw political and military power set the stage for similar operations snd occupations in the Caribbean and the invasion and occupation of the Philippines: a dictatorial, destructive occupation of a sheer brute sort. The beginning of the lie of “nation-building”.

One hundred percent in opposition to those values expressed in the Constitution.

The present collusion between the Democrat régime and the military/intelligence and federal police to defeat its tangible enemies — enemies of that New America that Lincoln conceived of as “the propositional nation” — is an outcome of the historical processes Levin is championing.

Except now that extra-Constitutional power is being used against what he sees as “his side”. Levin is also a Zionist and “in league“ with the Neoconservative factions which brought 30-plus years of war in the Middle East.

Complicated interests, complicated rhetoric!

However simplistic arguments — Levin’s — are more easily molded into actionable rhetorical stances — a disease and a necessity in a present where nearly everyone is in the dark and cannot really see what is going on and why.

There is an article in today’s NYT’s mentioning Steve Bannon. Here is his own presentation of his view of the issues.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 2:24 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:50 am One example of dictatorship is the time when he used the US Army—a military force which by rule of law is never to be used against US citizens—to disperse a crowd of US citizens.

You'll have to refresh my memory.

If you don’t recall this, you must be a Maganite.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:06 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:50 am One example of dictatorship is the time when he used the US Army—a military force which by rule of law is never to be used against US citizens—to disperse a crowd of US citizens.

You need to at least be fair to be taken seriously, you know.

The Posse Comitatus Act Explained
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... -explained

The Posse Comitatus Act bars federal troops from participating in civilian law enforcement except when expressly authorized by law. This 143-year-old law embodies an American tradition that sees military interference in civilian affairs as a threat to both democracy and personal liberty. However, recent events have revealed dangerous gaps in the law’s coverage that Congress must address.

That large exception is a simple work-around, child’s play for The Party. Just change the law.

Changing the law, subverting the law, and ignoring law is a common Leftist tactic. For example, the Supreme Court recently upheld that Biden, the face of The Democrat Party that Hates America, has no presidential, constitutional authority to forgive student loans.

He did it anyway, with some kind of workaround rationale. Very totalitarian of him to do so.

That doesn’t mean that Trump can give an order to use tanks to clear out a group of nonviolent civilians from a public area.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:06 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:50 am One example of dictatorship is the time when he used the US Army—a military force which by rule of law is never to be used against US citizens—to disperse a crowd of US citizens.

You need to at least be fair to be taken seriously, you know.

The Posse Comitatus Act Explained
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... -explained

The Posse Comitatus Act bars federal troops from participating in civilian law enforcement except when expressly authorized by law. This 143-year-old law embodies an American tradition that sees military interference in civilian affairs as a threat to both democracy and personal liberty. However, recent events have revealed dangerous gaps in the law’s coverage that Congress must address.

That large exception is a simple work-around, child’s play for The Party. Just change the law.

Changing the law, subverting the law, and ignoring law is a common Leftist tactic. For example, the Supreme Court recently upheld that Biden, the face of The Democrat Party that Hates America, has no presidential, constitutional authority to forgive student loans.

He did it anyway, with some kind of workaround rationale. Very totalitarian of him to do so.

There is no law that expressly authorizes the use of the US military to clear a public park of nonviolent American citizens.

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:31 pmIf you don’t recall this, you must be a Maganite.

Yeah, pretty much what I expected: no refresher (citation) and a poke with a dull stick.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:40 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:31 pmIf you don’t recall this, you must be a Maganite.

Yeah, pretty much what I expected: no refresher (citation) and a poke with a dull stick.

You don’t deserve a refresher.

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:56 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:40 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:31 pmIf you don’t recall this, you must be a Maganite.

Yeah, pretty much what I expected: no refresher (citation) and a poke with a dull stick.

You don’t deserve a refresher.