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Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:33 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:30 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:29 pm
Babble begets babble
But Henry has told us that it's not rubbish. So do we clean it up or let it stick?
I vote for
Let it stick. But not necessarily glue it on. It has I think some *stay-put* (a term from the coating industry) as well as some *flow-out*.
However, I admit to having a pony in the race.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:36 pm
by Gary Childress
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:30 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:08 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:56 pmThis is meaningless rubbish.
No, it's not.
Precious? Absolutely.
100% on the mark? Of course not.
But it ain't
meaningless or
rubbish.
I'm sorry, henry, but my verdict is final.
Harbal, I know you like a clean place, but is it possible to recycle it or use it as a skating rink?
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:37 pm
by Dontaskme
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:27 pm
Statement 1: Life is what happens when we are busy making other plans.
Statement 2: Or posting on the internet.
Statement 3: Or when assassinating John Lennon.
Gotta see things from
all angles, right?
There's No left seeing in right seeing, so no, can't see from all angles.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:38 pm
by phyllo
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:30 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:29 pm
Babble begets babble
But Henry has told us that it's not rubbish. So do we clean it up or let it stick?
I'm referring to this kind of babble :
Who sees two playing the same game, but the same one, not two.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:38 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:30 pm
Your
filigree is off-putting. Almost as eye-blistering as Age's. Your
substance -- kinda -- makes up for it.
Generally, when people move to critiquing style -- 9 times out of 10 -- the purpose is to undermine what has been said.
It is sort of like saying (to put it inversely) "If you'd express it differently I might listen to you". But why bother critiquing style? What is to be gained?
What, if anything, makes sense, and what doesn't?
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:40 pm
by Iwannaplato
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:28 pm
Sorry, but I don't agree with you Iwannaplato that there is a 'someone' who is conscious.
And, to take that literally: you certainly don't have to be sorry you don't agree. And then less literally: I know you don't agree. I assume you'd let me know if you agreed. I don't assume my responses will convince you.
For me it's more like this. You start a thread or make posts, sometimes calling in experts, to put forth a position. I reply, often, regarding how your position or these quotes don't convince me.
Truly, truly, I have little expectation that you will drop your position on things.
I've seen it happen in 20 years of online discussions, but it's so rare. I've shifted on a number of issues, but generally that connected more to experiences I had in the world and no while on line. Perhaps some online discussions did some nudging.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:41 pm
by Gary Childress
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:38 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:30 pm
Your
filigree is off-putting. Almost as eye-blistering as Age's. Your
substance -- kinda -- makes up for it.
Generally, when people move to critiquing style -- 9 times out of 10 -- the purpose is to undermine what has been said.
It is sort of like saying (to put it inversely) "If you'd express it differently I might listen to you". But why bother critiquing style? What is to be gained?
What, if anything, makes sense, and what doesn't?
Your call, Henry. Do you want us to clean it up or not?
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:41 pm
by Harbal
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:36 pm
Harbal, I know you like a clean place, but is it possible to recycle it
It's already been recycled; it used to be goulash. I don't know what it's supposed to be now.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:42 pm
by Dontaskme
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:32 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:28 pm
Sorry, but I don't agree with you Iwannaplato that there is a 'someone' who is conscious.
But there are unconscious metaphors? Even if you don't believe in individuals or someones, you brought up unconsciousness, which only makes sense and certainly in Lakoff who you were quoting as contrasted with consciousness. Perhaps it's non-dual consciousness. But Lakoff spent decades bringing unconscious metaphors into consciousness. You present it as if this cannot be done. Oh but it can, persons existing or not.
Why do you listen to other people's stories, like Lakoff's and not your own?
These are here only ideas.
I listen to ideas of which there are many appearing as there are authors.
There is no 'someone' who is conscious. A 'someone' is an idea arising in consciousness.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:44 pm
by Gary Childress
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:41 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:36 pm
Harbal, I know you like a clean place, but is it possible to recycle it
It's already been recycled; it used to be goulash. I don't know what it's supposed to be now.
I'm sorry, Harbal. I guess I never should have invited him. I'll take the blame for this. I can't do anything right.
@AJ, can you mind your manners a little more next time or at least make art instead of goulash? The goulash is, if I say so myself, starting to let off an odor.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:51 pm
by Dontaskme
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:40 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:28 pm
Sorry, but I don't agree with you Iwannaplato that there is a 'someone' who is conscious.
And, to take that literally: you certainly don't have to be sorry you don't agree. And then less literally: I know you don't agree. I assume you'd let me know if you agreed. I don't assume my responses will convince you.
For me it's more like this. You start a thread or make posts, sometimes calling in experts, to put forth a position. I reply, often, regarding how your position or these quotes don't convince me.
Truly, truly, I have little expectation that you will drop your position on things.
I've seen it happen in 20 years of online discussions, but it's so rare. I've shifted on a number of issues, but generally that connected more to experiences I had in the world and no while on line. Perhaps some online discussions did some nudging.
If the whole of reality is one ocean. There need not be a requirement for the contrast of a ship on the ocean and a ship on the land, since everywhere is the same one ocean, is my philosophy, so I have nothing much to discuss with you personally Iwannaplato, partly due to my problem of having no idea what point you are trying to make when you respond to my ideas about the nature of consciousness.
My personal ideas are quite straight forward, I'm not one for tangling up into a huge conceptual pile of mess, what is very straight forward in my understanding anyway.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:53 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:32 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:23 pm
See? Two can play at the same game!
Who sees two playing the same game, but the same one, not two.
Aaaaarggh! I can't win for losing!
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:55 pm
by Dontaskme
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:53 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:32 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:23 pm
See? Two can play at the same game!
Who sees two playing the same game, but the same one, not two.
Aaaaarggh! I can't win for losing!
I can't lose for winning.
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:55 pm
by Gary Childress
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:53 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:32 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:23 pm
See? Two can play at the same game!
Who sees two playing the same game, but the same one, not two.
Aaaaarggh! I can't win for losing!
Now you know how I feel sometimes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re: Atheism
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:56 pm
by Gary Childress
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:55 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:53 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:32 pm
Who sees two playing the same game, but the same one, not two.
Aaaaarggh! I can't win for losing!
I can't lose for winning.
Perhaps if you try harder to win, then you'll lose? Otherwise, I'm not sure what can be done.
