Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:15 am
Not a Tony Parsons quote. It's Ken Wilbers, and so is the 'One Taste' Quote.
I think it's an old Zen quote that I guess both of them are quoting.
But then you are already familar with the nondual message, even having confessed it's not to your philosophical taste, you admit you do not like the guru vibe....but isn't that what all philosophers are doing?
Perhaps in some sense, though not the way I mean it. Most people in any discussion forum put forward their ideas about what is real/what is going on. For me the guru role entails spiritual aspects and specific dynamics between the would be guru and others.
....what the heck are you expecting to hear in a philosophical discussion? are you expecting something no one has ever heard or talked about before, something off the scale of human understanding that has never been thought of before, something completely unique and brand new that blows the mind of every thinking philosopher making all that they had thought previously redundant and irrelevant? is that what you want?
There are a lot of things that are neither guru shit nor earthshakingly original. Throwing out quotes or paraphrases from a non-dualist perspective when it's pointed out you made a false generalization for example has a culty edge to it. Hey, I won't respond to/take responsibility for X, but here's a tidbit of wisdom. Telling people nothing they say will change your personal philosophy AND passing on a lot of rehashed eastern 'wisdom' or wisdom, yeah, to me that's guru stuff. I am not at all assuming you consciously decide to take on the role or guru or master, but that dynamic implicitly says things to people.
It's a bit like Peter Kropotkin on the political level. He comes, lectures, doesn't respond to much to the points people make, can't seem to take responsibility for what he writes AND there's a lack of organized thought or original thought. He's not in the guru role because for the most part he's not anywhere near spiritual stuff, but it's a similar dynamic.
There are many posters, here and elsewhere, over the years who don't necessarily have paradigmatic shift things to say, but who can honestly interact, combine their personal lives or life in general with their philosophical posts, and it's interesting in that way. Dealing with the voices who are not like that is useful in another way.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:20 amThese eastern spirituality cliches have helped so much, you want to share.
These man-made stories, aka cliches like all philosophical cliches have helped I guess, they have helped me to see the frailty and futility and fakeness of humanity and their obsession to cling to their conditioned mythical beliefs as if they were actually real....the nondual message also helped me to understand why humanities apparent separation from nature as and through the human ego, was natures biggest flaw and mistake, as nature seeks endlessly through it's dna replicating molecules for the perfect species, but has failed miserably so far..
But, currently, you find yourself in a horror show. Despite these ideas. So, I am bringing up the issue of your motivation for sharing ideas that at the very least have not put much of a dent in what you present as incredible suffering. And why you would announce that no on could change your personal philosophy, when it's not really helping you. And why you would also put these out as truths to others, who are perhaps not as closed as you are, when, in the end, despite having this outlook, or perhaps in part because of it, since you've said it goes back to childhood, you are still suffering immensely.
Here's the way things are. Here's the way things are. Here's the way things are. What you say cannot change my mind. Here's the way things are. Here's what's wrong with your beliefs. And yet, this view that you are promulgating, hasn't really helped you.
And given you aren't open to influence, that's a specific dynamic.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:51 pm
I feel like I’m stuck inside a horror movie forever trapped with no way out ever.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:20 amWell, then it must be compassion that leads to you sharing your personal philosophy with others. They are clearly missing out, since it has helped you so much. Sorry, ["you"]
Why are you sorry?
That was ironic.
and for what are you sorry about? seems like you make an awful lot of projections, and assumptions, and beliefs about this so called ''you'' that you are sorry for...so would you care to share what these projections are? would you like to share what it is you think have helped this 'you' ?
I don't think I have helped this you one bit. Not claiming any noble intentions here, and I never said that I have helped you or thought it.
And why are you still hanging around the ''guru vibe' that are my posts? if you are not much partial to guru vibing? do you have an axe to grind or something? do continue and share why you are still bothering to hang around.
I did in a post above to Walker. And what I said to him applies to many voices in here.
There were a couple of obvious things I pointed out in your posts: one related to Christianty as a whole and doubt, and one related to why someone might be upset in relation to inevitable things.
Not once in a long string of posts could you acknowledge that. A great tangential wandering, including non-relevant non-dualist ideas. Finally you agreed with one point, but could not acknowledge that it went against what you said. Just a simple human, oh, yeah, I see what you mean, right. While at the same time producing spiritual wisdom. It's odd and interesting and matches things I experience out in real life, sometimes when there are real stakes involved. But I explain this in general in the post with Walker.
So, why are you telling us what you are telling us? What's your motive? Why do you read posts by people who you consider deluded or make assumptions and projectiongs about you?
